State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

[visualnickmos]

..... that woman in Rochester. She may well be in a minority within her particular area and may feel that nobody bothers about her concerns.

There is a world of difference between concerns which are based on thought out analysis of the real facts, and the parrot-fashion regurgitation of deliberately distorted and damaging nonsense given off by politically-motivated ignoramuses. Sadly, and through no fault of her own, (possibly) this woman, in my opinion only, falls into the latter category. I may be wrong - I accept that.

[MrGongGong]

There is a world of difference between concerns which are based on thought out analysis of the real facts, and the parrot-fashion regurgitation of deliberately distorted and damaging nonsense given off by politically-motivated ignoramuses. Sadly, and through no fault of her own, (possibly) this woman, in my opinion only, falls into the latter category. I may be wrong - I accept that.

There's a lot of "received wisdom" about
I also heard (in the same item) people complaining how immigrants jumped the queue for social housing which is simply NOT true
Like the 75% of laws nonsense

[visualnickmos]

There's a lot of "received wisdom" about
I also heard (in the same item) people complaining how immigrants jumped the queue for social housing which is simply NOT true
Like the 75% of laws nonsense

Absolutely - couldn't agree more. I don't know about you, but I have always felt that in a very general sense, British people have been welcoming, always very giving (look at the unfailing generosity when there are disasters around the world like earthquakes etc) and providing a haven for the vulnerable and persecuted, and so on.

Then we have UKIP et al who come along claiming to be the voice of the 'ordinary' Brit, or something to that effect, and yet - and this is the problem - espousing all the attitudes and policies that are so totally the antitheses of those British qualities and virtues and definitely not the typical British way. I can't fathom it....

[Beef Oven!]

Actually it's not right at all
but you seem stuck in this "left/right" nonsense

Demanding the freedom to insult is all very well if you can be sure that everyone is robust
but
they aren't

Where have I demanded a right to insult? You are unable to respond to the point, because the point is right.

[Beef Oven!]

[QUOTE=visualnickmos;444732]

Can't begin to imagine why. Oh - maybe it's because you believe that because someone is gay, they should have less rights than people who are not gay. Simple, really.

I don't believe that homosexuals should have less rights than others. I believe that same sex marriage is a nonsense, because once conjugality and procreation are removed, marriage is simply a contract between two people. Holding that belief does not mean that I am homophobic.

... which they almost certainly are, if they believe the crap spouted UKIP and the tabloid press (assuming they can read at least a little)

I believe that our immigration policy is chaotic and out of control. I am in favour of having a more sensible policy, that manages settlement migration far more tightly than present. In your view, this seems to make me (and others that think the same) almost certainly a racist. I'm sure it doesn't.

Lord alone knows what this is about?????

We had a reference to Galations 6, when you flew into a rage about what that Russian opera singer said about homosexuals, now you are referring to the Lord! It can't be that serious!!

[MrGongGong]

Where have I demanded a right to insult? You are unable to respond to the point, because the point is right.

False inference (again)
You poor little delicate flower

[Beef Oven!]

False inference (again)
You poor little delicate flower

Ok, you've googled 'false inference' and we have to hear it a lot.

Why do you think that political correctness is about insulting people, or not insulting people? It's about corralling people into the state-defined world-view. Sort your underpants out.

[MrGongGong]

It's about corralling people into the state-defined world-view. Sort your underpants out.

Like making everyone on TV wear a poppy ?

[Beef Oven!]

Like making everyone on TV wear a poppy ?

People want to wear poppies. They like poppies. Get over it.

Political correctness suppresses free-thought. Different things.

Now, underpants.

[ahinton]

Yes, the notion of a 'no winner' general election is predicated on the UKIP fielding a large number of candidates and winning seats.

Not just on that by any means; frankly, it's likely to be the outcome with or without UKIP - but the more candidates that it fields succesfully, the more the possibility of majority government will fade from possible view.

You mention the Green Party. It will be interesting to see how well they do. Since Blair, there has really only been a centre-right government in this country, that facilitates big business and elites. The Greens are the only serious socialist alternative. Will they be able to get the votes of the people who are socialists, first and foremost?

I'm not sure that I can view the Greens as "socialist" in the traditional sense of the term but perhaps they might be seen in the szame of similar spirit as someone whom I heard saying "I'm a proper Conservative - a socialist one"...

There are so many sub-plots with the coming election.

There are indeed. If, however, the balance beween the parties is such that, on the strength of the election outcome, it would take three or more parties in coalition to form a majority government, we will find ourselves on entirely new and hitherto unexplored territory and the ultimate outcome would be more uncertain than that of any previous General Election.

[MrGongGong]

People want to wear poppies. They like poppies. Get over it.
.

See foot, take aim, fire

[P. G. Tipps]

Interesting (if not particularly original!) observations from Mr David Lammy MP.

If the Metropolitan Liberal (pseudo-Marxist) Elite and their PC fellow-travellers are unable to listen to the genuine concerns of some labelled as the 'indigenous white working-class' maybe they'll manage to grasp the somewhat blindingly-obvious comments from a non-indigenous member of their own Elite, instead?

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/labour-culturally-adrift-lammy-1.698088

[MrGongGong]

Of course whether the MP who posted the photo knew it or not
She appears to have, and by some bizarre random process, found someone who fits all the 'stereotypes'

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/white-van-dan-unveils-his-vision-for-the-country--lyTRbadzde

aaah
but we aren't supposed to "mock" this man as he is speaking for the ordinary (hard working, cage fighting, child beating) "working class" of Engurluuuund

[P. G. Tipps]

I know it's difficult for you and the PC crowd to grasp, MrGongGong, but, in a true democracy, one is entitled to express quite reasonable views even if these are anathema to the Metropolitan Liberal (pseudo-Marxist) Elite ...

I actually don't find anything particularly "offensive' in any of Mr Daniel Ware's quite daring and radical Manifesto even though, following further study and reflection, I might not subscribe to all of it, though certainly some parts appear instantly attractive, I have to say.

Whilst I'm naturally shy and very loathe to give others advice, I do think you shouldn't quite dismiss it out of hand, as you appear to do, MrGongGong.

In fact Mr Ware's proposed policies are so admirably 'politically incorrect' that I, as a passionate pro-European', would nonetheless just like to offer the gentleman my very hearty congratulations and even, if given the opportunity, give him one mighty big and shamelessly heterosexual hug!

[MrGongGong]

I know it's difficult for you and the PC crowd to grasp, MrGongGong, but, in a true democracy, one is entitled to express quite reasonable views even if these are anathema to the Metropolitan Liberal (pseudo-Marxist) Elite ...
!

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Quite reasonable to suggest we beat children ?
Spot on

I think if you tried to hug him he would probably break your legs matey

So his idea about poppies and "free speech" ?

That's two of you in for bullets in feet this morning