State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

[Beef Oven!]

Yes we do
If one means that it implies being aware and having an understanding of things.
One thing that struck me about the comments from the head of this school is that they seem to imply that because Market Rasen is a predominantly "white" town it was somehow impossible for the school to teach about the diverse make up of the UK.
I'm sure they teach about glaciation in schools in Norfolk?
All the press, predictably, say that the school was "marked down" the school for being "too white" which is simply not true.

The Torygraph says this



Now my English isn't great at times but I think this is what is known as a False Inference.


The word "respect" was mine, I do think we should encourage it NOT do the rude Farridge shouty thing at people all the time.

Interesting that the only examples of this terrible PC tide that is adversely affecting the nation seem to be from the last week, and consist of a misinterpretation of an OFSTED report and an MP sharing a photograph

We teach kids to respect geography, you say?

Now, flying about the forum with your underpants over yer trousers as the forum PC-superhero is one thing, but respecting geography is ridiculous!!! You've gone too far.

[Beef Oven!]

If they managed to do that despite fielding only a dozen candidates, they'd have achieved something as unique as it would be suspect. It rather reminds me of the thoughts that came to what passes for my mind on the occasion in HoC when one Ed Miliband referred to my MP as "the member for Hereford and South Hertfordshire", namely that I thought Johnny two-jags for Mr (now Lord) Prescott was bad enough but Jesse two-constituencies must surely be illegal...

I don't see how they can get 40 seats. As things stand at the moment, they look like they'll get about 5 (am I missing something?).

Something 'big' needs to happen for a UKIP breakthrough like that. Something like huge numbers of Labour voters becoming disaffected. Such a realignment of Labour votes, is unlikely, no matter how poor Miliband et al are. There may be some Conservative voters who shift to the UKIP, but I just can't see the level of partisan disaffection that the UKIP require. The Greens may get another seat - they are the only proper socialist alternative. The LibDems are finished, so not much doing there.

Who will win the election is anyone's guess, never mind whether any party will have enough seats to form a majority government.

[Anna]

Something 'big' needs to happen for a UKIP breakthrough like that

Something 'big' might perhaps be producing a Manifesto? When Reckless was questioned about sending Polish plumbers home he was then contradicted by Farage.
Reckless then said "The policy changed on Wednesday and I'm a bit sore about how I came out of that." He added: "Until Nigel changed it on Wednesday, the policy of the party was ..........." It appears their 'policies' are what they consider the public can stomach at that moment. By-elections are one thing, in general elections you do need to know what a party's intentions are

[Beef Oven!]

Something 'big' might perhaps be producing a Manifesto? When Reckless was questioned about sending Polish plumbers home he was then contradicted by Farage.
Reckless then said "The policy changed on Wednesday and I'm a bit sore about how I came out of that." He added: "Until Nigel changed it on Wednesday, the policy of the party was ..........." It appears their 'policies' are what they consider the public can stomach at that moment. By-elections are one thing, in general elections you do need to know what a party's intentions are

They published a document following their September conference. It has all the policies in it. It's their manifesto.

[jean]

Do you mean that you were working class, but you are no longer?

I think it's going to university that does it.

Before that, I'd be presumed to belong to the same class as my parents, wouldn't I?

[jean]

They published a document following their September conference. It has all the policies in it. It's their manifesto.

Perhaps you could post a link?

[Beef Oven!]

Perhaps you could post a link?

I've only seen a hard copy. It came through a friend's letter box. The UKIP must have been leafleting in some areas, but I've not seen them.

Edit: I think this might be it. It looks similar to the leaflet I saw.

[visualnickmos]

Something 'big' might perhaps be producing a Manifesto? When Reckless was questioned about sending Polish plumbers home he was then contradicted by Farage.
Reckless then said "The policy changed on Wednesday and I'm a bit sore about how I came out of that." He added: "Until Nigel changed it on Wednesday, the policy of the party was ..........." It appears their 'policies' are what they consider the public can stomach at that moment. By-elections are one thing, in general elections you do need to know what a party's intentions are

More than adequate proof that they talk nothing but b*****ks. These charlatans are poisonous self-interested social "inadequates"

[Beef Oven!]

I think it's going to university that does it.

Before that, I'd be presumed to belong to the same class as my parents, wouldn't I?

Yes, but going to university doesn't take you out of being working class. My first proper job after graduating was as a Fireman in the London Fire Brigade. So I was still working class.

Later on, following a different career path, I became chartered, and had control over my work and how it was undertaken, with a high level of freedom and autonomy. This, I feel, took me out of the working class. Of course the pay was much higher, too.

[Beef Oven!]

More than adequate proof that they talk nothing but b*****ks. These charlatans are poisonous self-interested social "inadequates"

Buttocks? (my reading glasses are in the other room)

[P. G. Tipps]

More than adequate proof that they talk nothing but b*****ks. These charlatans are poisonous self-interested social "inadequates"

Now, that's not very nice, but I'm sure it would be deemed perfectly acceptable by the Metropolitan Liberal (pseudo-Marxist) Elite, so very PC indeed!

[Beef Oven!]

Now, that's not very nice, but I'm sure it would be deemed perfectly acceptable by the Metropolitan Liberal (pseudo-Marxist) Elite, so very PC indeed!

Didn't RB tell us it's only called "political correctness" by those who think they need the freedom to be insensitive?

[ahinton]

I don't see how they can get 40 seats. As things stand at the moment, they look like they'll get about 5 (am I missing something?).

No, you aren't; if UKIP fields 12 candidates, the maximum number of seats that it can hope to acquire is quite obviously 12, out of which, by their own apparent reckoning, they'll actually secure only 3 - 5 - i.e. just 1 - 3 more than they have now.

Something 'big' needs to happen for a UKIP breakthrough like that. Something like huge numbers of Labour voters becoming disaffected. Such a realignment of Labour votes, is unlikely, no matter how poor Miliband et al are. There may be some Conservative voters who shift to the UKIP, but I just can't see the level of partisan disaffection that the UKIP require. The Greens may get another seat - they are the only proper socialist alternative. The LibDems are finished, so not much doing there.

Something "big"? Only something very corrupt indeed would have to happen should UKIP appear to have had such a breakthrough; notwithstanding all the disaffected voters of all other parties, however many there might be, if UKIP fields only 12 candidates, they'll get no more than that number of seats and almost certainly rather less.

Who will win the election is anyone's guess, never mind whether any party will have enough seats to form a majority government.

Very true - except that I'd go farther and suggest that no party "winning" that election is a dead cert.

[Beef Oven!]

No, you aren't; if UKIP fields 12 candidates, the mximum number of sets that the can hope to acquire is quite obviously 12, out of which by their own apparent reckoning they'll actually secure just 3 - 5 - i.e. just 1 - 3 more than they have now.


Something "big"? Only something very corrupt indeed would have to happen should UKIP appear to have had such a breakthrough; all the disaffected voters of all other parties notwithstanding, if UKIP fields only 12 candidates, they'll get no more than that number of seats and almost certainly rather less.


Very true - except that I'd go farther and suggest that no party "winning" that election is a dead cert.

As things stand, even if they field 650 candidates, I can't see where any more than 5 seats are coming from. Let's forget about this 12 candidates idea, they're obviously going to field a very large number of candidates, come May.

[amateur51]

As things stand, even if they field 650 candidates, I can't see where any more than 5 seats are coming from. Let's forget about this 12 candidates idea, they're obviously going to field a very large number of candidates, come May.

Depends on how many Tories with large majorities defect to UKIP, I guess