State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

[Beef Oven!]

I have to say that I struggle to see any marxism, pseudo or real, among people that might be described as metropolitan liberal elite.

It's all a struggle to Marxists - there ya go!

[Richard Barrett]

I guess we're never going to find out who these pseudo-Marxist metropolitan liberal elite are. Maybe they're foreigners, coming over 'ere, truncating our vocabulary and claiming benefits.

[Beef Oven!]

It's only called "political correctness" by those who think they need the freedom to be insensitive.

Political correctness, or cultural Marxism, is exercised by those who want to control how people think.

[MrGongGong]

Political correctness, or cultural Marxism, is exercised by those who want to control how people think.

and your example is?

It seems (like R'n'B has little to do with Rhythm and Blues) to have little to do with Marxism

Barry's Tea seems to want the "freedom" to be offensive as possible (Simon's back?)

One of the musicians I sometimes work with has Cerebral Palsy, I don't call him a "Spazz" because its rude and offensive even though he would use the term himself. It's NOT that hard really.
Where's the problem ?

[Beef Oven!]

and your example is?

See below

It seems (like R'n'B has little to do with Rhythm and Blues) to have little to do with Marxism

Barry's Tea seems to want the "freedom" to be offensive as possible (Simon's back?)

One of the musicians I sometimes work with has Cerebral Palsy, I don't call him a "Spazz" because its rude and offensive even though he would use the term himself. It's NOT that hard really.
Where's the problem ?

Basic respect is one thing, political correctness/cultural Marxism is quite another.

I manage to be extremely rude, quite often (so do you), without using pejorative terms that are based in race, disability, religion and so on. That's got sod-all to do with political correctness/cultural Marxism.

[MrGongGong]

See below



Basic respect is one thing, political correctness/cultural Marxism is quite another.

I manage to be extremely rude, quite often, without using pejorative terms that are based in race, disability, religion and so on. That's got sod-all to do with political correctness/cultural Marxism.

AHA I thought your would bring that one up
What is interesting about this "story" is that what the school was criticised for was NOT consisting mainly of White non-disabled children
BUT not having ways of working that respected and reflected the diversity of the UK.

Seems fine to me

Education is about EDUCATING
exposing people to things they haven't previously encountered
I've worked in schools where all the pupils are black and for whom music starts and ends with Hip Hop. Music EDUCATION in this context is teaching and exposing pupils to things outside their experience.

So this really is NOT an example of the terrible PC Gorne Mad at all

[Beef Oven!]

What is interesting about this "story" is that what the school was criticised for was NOT consisting mainly of White non-disabled children
BUT not having ways of working that respected and reflected the diversity of the UK.

Seems fine to me

Education is about EDUCATING

Why do we have to be taught to "respect" diversity? Why not just be aware about the world and its diversity? "Respect" is a general thing. We don't teach kids to "respect" geography, do we?

I and millions of others have no difficulty in embracing, respecting and living in diversity, without the state telling us how to go about it. Millions also understand geography, without the schools making us "respect" it.

Criticise the school for having a curriculum gap, but "respecting diversity"? That's yer political correctness, matey. Yes, gone mad!

[ahinton]

They haven't.

I didn't think so - so my point remains that, if the Greens can fund candidates in 75% of constituencies, what's holding UKIP back? (not that I'm encounraging them to follow suit, you understand)...

[ahinton]

If I had received a penny for every time I'd been called a 'jock' or a 'tightfisted Scottish b******' I'd have been rather richer than I am now!

... in which case would you be less "tightfisted"? - not, of course, that I'm seriously suiggesting that you are such!...

[ahinton]

I don't address my black colleagues by the N word
NOT because it's PC but because its offensive

And it's also incorrect - not so much politically but pigmentally; next time anyone who's disposed to refer to certain people as "blacks" looks at a can of black paint and realises that there's only one shade thereof (however many there may be of grey), they would surely reaise that they've never encountered anyone with a skin colour like that!

Having empathy and sensitivity to others is to be encouraged not dismissed.

Absolutely right, although it seems that this is a difficult concept to put across to some.

[ahinton]

I guess we're never going to find out who these pseudo-Marxist metropolitan liberal elite are. Maybe they're foreigners, coming over 'ere, truncating our vocabulary and claiming benefits.

!!!

[ahinton]

Political correctness, or cultural Marxism, is exercised by those who want to control how people think.

And are you suggesting that advocates of "political correctness" and/or "those who want to control how people think" are all of Marxist persuasion? Do you see such behaviour as peculiar to Marxists? I certainly don't!

[P. G. Tipps]

But who are these people? The "elite" actually consists of CEOs and Bullingdon boys and their chums as far as I can see.

Yes but again you only seem to see what you want to see. As far as I see ... and I go to Vision Express not Specsavers ... Emily Thornberry is neither a CEO nor Bullingdon boy. She owns about three large properties and was not averse to sending some of her offspring to a private school just like her Deputy Leader. Such 'socialists' have a lot more in common with the aforementioned 'boys' (don't be so sexist, btw!) than the 'working-class'.

Now we can recognise the 'elite' we then turn to the 'pseudo-Marxist' claim. Both front-benches have signed-up to 'political-correctness' directed by the State and its very selective idea of 'equality'. All that seems pretty 'Marxist' to me. So we have somehow ended up with socialist millionaires preaching equality and 'free-market' millionaires prattling on about the need for positive discrimination in favour of one gender over the other when it comes to selecting Conservative candidates. Ms Thornberry, so dismissive of a child's normal need for a father claiming it is 'discriminatory', would fully support her fellow-millionaire Tory chums on that, I'm sure!

So whoever originally coined the phrase Metropolitan Liberal (pseudo-Marrxist) Elite got it pretty much spot-on, I think, though the common prefix Out of Touch makes it even more applicable, imv.

No wonder Nigel has that huge, beaming smile which so infuriates Mr GongGong!

[MrGongGong]

We don't teach kids to "respect" geography, do we?

Yes we do
If one means that it implies being aware and having an understanding of things.
One thing that struck me about the comments from the head of this school is that they seem to imply that because Market Rasen is a predominantly "white" town it was somehow impossible for the school to teach about the diverse make up of the UK.
I'm sure they teach about glaciation in schools in Norfolk?
All the press, predictably, say that the school was "marked down" the school for being "too white" which is simply not true.

The Torygraph says this

Ofsted was accused of “political correctness” after downgrading a top rural primary school for effectively being too English.

The education watchdog faced a backlash from MPs and parents following the decision to penalise Middle Rasen primary in Lincolnshire for not having enough black or Asian pupils.

In a report, inspectors said the school was “not yet outstanding” because pupils’ cultural development was limited by a “lack of first-hand experience of the diverse make up of modern British society”.

Now my English isn't great at times but I think this is what is known as a False Inference.


The word "respect" was mine, I do think we should encourage it NOT do the rude Farridge shouty thing at people all the time.

Interesting that the only examples of this terrible PC tide that is adversely affecting the nation seem to be from the last week, and consist of a misinterpretation of an OFSTED report and an MP sharing a photograph

[P. G. Tipps]

Interesting that the only examples of this terrible PC tide that is adversely affecting the nation seem to be from the last week, and consist of a misinterpretation of an OFSTED report and an MP sharing a photograph

Rather than providing countless and ultimately pointless examples that you will immediately dismiss, MrGongGong, the following article has hit the nail right on the head, imv. Whether Orwell was a 'leftist' or not he got it absolutely bang on about the forthcoming hell of 'political correctness' (though he may have been slightly too early with his date predictions!).

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100177627/george-orwell-the-prophet-of-political-correctness-does-not-belong-to-the-left/