State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

[P. G. Tipps]

Give us a REAL example of what you mean by this ?

Is it worth it? You'll only reply with a foul-mouthed rant or something similar!

However, this is what Ms Thornberry was once quoted as saying ...

“Honourable Members should look at the other side of the coin: allowing the phrase “the need for a father” to remain would expressly discriminate against single women and lesbian couples.
“Frankly, that will not do. It is discriminatory and unfair.”


Get the general idea, now? Most people just don't talk like that. They live on a quite different planet ... the real one!

[Beef Oven!]

Quote Originally Posted by Jean

She was right, and she and I both know it, even if you don't.

I guess the three of us are unimportant in the overall scheme of things.

She had to resign because it was necessary, in the circumstances, for a display of extreme nationalism possibly with racist undertones to be assumed to be everyday white working class behaviour.

The Labour Party are an extreme nationalist party with racist undertones? No wonder the working class are shifting to the UKIP.

This is actually an insult to the white working class.

What is, and how do you know?

[Risorgimento]

She was right, and she and I both know it, even if you don't.

She had to resign because it was necessary, in the circumstances, for a display of extreme nationalism possibly with racist undertones to be assumed to be everyday white working class behaviour.

This is actually an insult to the white working class.

That comment is worthy of a Daily Mail headline ! Sweeping generalisation to the fore.

[ahinton]

quote from visualnickmos:
Have you really analysed what their policies are?
Yes, and they are a combination of classical liberal and right wing conservatism.

If that were the case, would you not be worried that such a "combination" is as indicative of divisiveness as would be the implementation of UKIP's most widely known policies? Even the Conservative party itself is riven with divisions between those two categories - to the extent that, for example, it's hard to imagine David Davies and John Redwood as representing the same party! - and the Tories have needed no encouragement from UKIP or anyone else to allow such divisiveness to emerge and establish itself within its echelons!

And I will probably vote for them in the general election.

"Probably"?! You don't say!...

[Risorgimento]

.....
And I will probably vote for them in the general election.

+1. Cracking result from Rochester. How about a Conservative/UKIP coalition come May ? I know Nigel has ruled this out at the moment but things can always change for the better.

[ahinton]

+1. Cracking result from Rochester. How about a Conservative/UKIP coalition come May ? I know Nigel has ruled this out at the moment but things can always change for the better.

"Cracking"? - or cracked or crackpot? Anyway, there's at least a couple of aspects of such a preposterous scenario as you present here that you've ommitted to consider. The first is that the likelihood that David Cameron (or whoever might succeed him as Tory leader) would NOT rule it out is vanishingly small. The second is that there would in any case be no guarantee that the Tories and UKIP - or indeed any pair of parties - could achieve a majority coalition.

[jean]

That comment is worthy of a Daily Mail headline ! Sweeping generalisation to the fore.

Not at all - the generalisation lies in assuming that one piece of aberrant behaviour represents the collective views of an entire group.

How much time have you spent in a white working-class area?

No, thought not.

[Beef Oven!]

+1. Cracking result from Rochester. How about a Conservative/UKIP coalition come May ? I know Nigel has ruled this out at the moment but things can always change for the better.

Well the question is, a coalition or pact with whom?

Everything is so up in the air. We are looking at all parties being also-rans, but with no winner.

Nigel may have to engage in some soul-searching praxis.

[amateur51]

+1. Cracking result from Rochester. How about a Conservative/UKIP coalition come May ? I know Nigel has ruled this out at the moment but things can always change for the better.

An outcome to be fervently wished for.

Are Fluck & Law busy at the moment?

[Beef Oven!]

Not at all - the generalisation lies in assuming that one piece of aberrant behaviour represents the collective views of an entire group.

How much time have you spent in a white working-class area?

No, thought not.

Jean, you can spin this as much as you want, but the facts are plain. She's dropped a bollock and she's gone.

To actually take a photograph of someone's house and vehicle and tweet it for political reasons is outrageous.

It is clear what she meant when she did it and no amount of post-event Marxist analysis will change that. It was very, very bad.

Why are you 'defending' her?

[amateur51]

Well the question is, a coalition or pact with whom?

Everything is so up in the air. We are looking at all parties being also-rans, but with no winner.

Nigel may have to engage in some soul-searching praxis.

Oh suddenly Greek words are available to the Whisky, Shaving and Label expert.

[jean]

...Latin words...

(Psst...Greek)

[ahinton]

Well the question is, a coalition or pact with whom?

Everything is so up in the air. We are looking at all parties being also-rans, but with no winner.

Absolutely right!

Nigel may have to engage in some soul-searching praxis.

Sorabji used to say of certain people in the late 60s and early 70s who went off to India in search of their souls that it might have saved them an expensive air fare had they stopped to consider whether they had souls to search for in the first place; the cap might be thought to fit...

[ahinton]

(Psst...Greek)

Beat me to it, you did!

[amateur51]

(Psst...Greek)

Cheers jean :blushthingo:

A real pal would have sent a PM ahem :whistlydoodah: