State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

[Beef Oven!]

Absolute
SO you really think that a band of red faced dickheads led by an ex commodities broker in a tweed suit is somehow speaking for the "working class" ?

More like a sketch from the Fast Show

Well, Gordon Brown let the cat out the bag about what Labour think about the working class and now 'Lady' Emily Thornberry has tweeted Labour's view of the white working class. Even Owen Jones' defence of the white working class is lost on Labour - don't they read the Gwerdian?

The UKIP are now clearly the true party of the British the working class.

Great tweet, was't it?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30139832

[teamsaint]

Absolute bollocks
SO you really think that a band of red faced dickheads led by an ex commodities broker in a tweed suit is somehow speaking for the "working class" ?

More like a sketch from the Fast Show

to pretend that Farage isn't speaking for a considerable number of people , working and middle class, seems to be flying in the face of the facts.

I don't think they will do anything like replace labour at the election, (since people will tend to return to their political roots and certainties) but they do reflect, and to an extent have helped intensify, the discontent with mainstream politics.

[ahinton]

Well, Gordon Brown let the cat out the bag about what Labour think about the working class and now 'Lady' Emily Thornberry has tweeted Labour's view of the white working class. Even Owen Jones' defence of the white working class is lost on Labour - don't they read the Gwerdian?

The UKIP are now clearly the true party of the British the working class.

Great tweet, was't it?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30139832

I am not convinced that any party is the "true party of the British working class" (whoever they may be).

Such a fuss, though! UKIP now has TWO seats in HoC - well, whoopty-doo! It's not very many, is it? I have little doubt that, next May, they'll acquire more, but I don't expect that they'll take most of them from the same party so, as I've said before, it's becoming ever increasingly likely that the business of forming any kind of government following the next General Election might prove to be a thornier problem than it's ever been. SNP are already reckoned to be the third party in UK today; won't it send signals of absurdity to Westminster in the admittedly unlilkely but not entirely impossible scenario that the next General Election results catapult SNP into second place, particuarly when only a smallish fraction of UK voters are entitled to vote for it?! If anything, I suspect that SNP will be the party least vulnerable to the encroachment of UKIP.

[Beef Oven!]

ahinton said

Such a fuss, though! UKIP now has TWO seats in HoC - well, whoopty-doo! It's not very many, is it?

Yeah, a flash in the pan. Bi-elections don't mean nuffink to a general election. Hugh Muir isn't being a professional arrogant when he tells us that Rochester and Strood UKIP votes are immoral - no, course he aint.

The UKIP will fade away after their TWO seats.

I suspect that SNP will be the party least vulnerable to the encroachment of UKIP.

The real point here is that the SNP will be (along with the UKIP) the cause of the demise of Labour in the coming general election.

[jean]

...and now 'Lady' Emily Thornberry has tweeted Labour's view of the white working class...

If you seriously think that the white working class regularly hang large St George flags out of their windows when there isn't a football international going on, you are far less in touch with the white working class than you like to think!

[teamsaint]

ahinton said



Yeah, a flash in the pan. Bi-elections don't mean nuffink to a general election. Hugh Muir isn't being a professional arrogant when he tells us that Rochester and Strood UKIP votes are immoral - no, course he aint.

The UKIP will fade away after their TWO seats.



The real point here is that the SNP will be (along with the UKIP) the cause of the demise of Labour in the coming general election.

Do you not think that, faced with the prospect of the tories returning to power, the Scottish labour heartland will return in big numbers, (big enough to return most of their MPs) to Labour?

as for the UKIP effect, two questions:
1. where can they actually get MPs elected? old Lib Dem areas like the West Country? the odd 3/4 way marginal?
2. How many seats are there where a swing to UKIP will deprive one of the labour/tories/libdems of a seat, and hand it to their big rivals?
UKIP must have some hard thoughts about this?

[teamsaint]

If you seriously think that the white working class regularly hang large St George flags out of their windows when there isn't a football international going on, you are far less in touch with the white working class than you like to think!

Maybe not out of the windows, what with the rain and all, but display of the St George Cross in windows and vans are reasonably common down here.
perhaps they can't be bothered to take them down between matches.

[Beef Oven!]

If you seriously think that the white working class regularly hang large St George flags out of their windows when there isn't a football international going on, you are far less in touch with the white working class than you like to think!

Jean, it's 'Baroness' Emily of Thornberry's tweet - address your football match musings to her, not me!

[hedgehog]

BO,

I can't help what you will call me, snob or whatever, because it is what you!choose to call me and I'm not gong to try to argue. Again, I can't. As can no-one argue against racism or whatever, because the person here who assigns the label regards themselves as beyond reproach. Whatever the right or left swing. I guess that is why all these threads are in the dungeon.

[hedgehog]

BO,

and I'm not gong to try to argue.

That is truly a Freudian slip!

[jean]

Jean, it's 'Baroness' Emily of Thornberry's tweet - address your football match musings to her, not me!

You've completely missed the point again, Beefy.

Emily was quite correct in thinking that the display of nationalism she tweeted was not everyday white working-class behaviour, though it was very foolish of her to tweet about it in the middle of an election, especially this one.

[Beef Oven!]

Maybe not out of the windows, what with the rain and all, but display of the St George Cross in windows and vans are reasonably common down here.
perhaps they can't be bothered to take them down between matches.

Actually, it's quite common, flags of St George being draped from windows and balconies, when there are no sporting events going on. I often wonder what it's all about. Walking through council estates in ethnically diverse London, you see it a lot. I often wonder if it's some sort of statement, aimed at their BAME neighbours.

In the unlikely case of me flying a flag, it'd be the flag of the union, not the English one.

[P. G. Tipps]

to pretend that Farage isn't speaking for a considerable number of people , working and middle class, seems to be flying in the face of the facts.

I don't think they will do anything like replace labour at the election, (since people will tend to return to their political roots and certainties) but they do reflect, and to an extent have helped intensify, the discontent with mainstream politics.

I think that's a pretty fair summary but I would add that UKIP's current success could also be due in some part to the modern ethos of 'political correctness' though that is certainly not confined to the UK and is now pretty well established in the western world. People do like to be able to say what they think, not what some liberal elite want them to say, and UKIP clearly have exploited this to the full. That is not to say I support UKIP ... quite the contrary! However, it would be churlish to deny its success in reaching to people the other parties had long lost.

Isn't it ironic, too, that Emily Thornberry should now become a victim of the very 'political correctness' she has always preached as an MP. I suppose there is some justice in that, but I think it's ridiculous that a minister should be forced to resign immediately over such a trivial matter.

Frankly, I can't understand these MPs (especially Government Ministers!) behaving like overgrown school kids and doing all this silly 'tweeting' in the first place!

[Beef Oven!]

BO,

I can't help what you will call me, snob or whatever, because it is what you!choose to call me and I'm not gong to try to argue. Again, I can't. As can no-one argue against racism or whatever, because the person here who assigns the label regards themselves as beyond reproach. Whatever the right or left swing. I guess that is why all these threads are in the dungeon.

I don't know if you are a snob or not, I just asked you to re-put your post in non-snob English so that those of us who didn't do Latin could understand. Consider the day boys.

[Beef Oven!]

BO,

I can't help what you will call me, snob or whatever, because it is what you!choose to call me and I'm not gong to try to argue. Again, I can't. As can no-one argue against racism or whatever, because the person here who assigns the label regards themselves as beyond reproach. Whatever the right or left swing. I guess that is why all these threads are in the dungeon.

Can you un-check the scramble box on your keyboard settings, please?