State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

[Beef Oven!]

Nobody has accused you of being a racist or xenophobe on this forum, as far as I am aware. What if anything you have been accused of is supporting UKIP without thinking through the practical or ethical implications, which have repeatedly been pointed out to you. For an intelligent person the only possible explanation is that you are either in bad faith, or this whole line you've been pedalling all along is one big wind-up, and is not by the way a very funny one.

I said that race was a taboo subject and RB replied that kippers and their band wagon jumpers, blah, blah, blah. And he attributed me thus "On the other hand, on the small chance that you are right and British people really despise foreigners and the most vulnerable members of society". Well I never said anything of the sort.

I don't think that anyone has suggested that I have not thought through the practical or ethical implications. Anyway, that type of criticism is only the sort of thing a condescending fat-head would say, and we don't have any of those in here.

Your false dichotomy that an intelligent person can only support (whatever that means) UKIP in bad faith or the whole thing is just a joke, shows how unbelievably out of touch you are, IMO.

[Serial_Apologist]

I don't think that anyone has suggested that I have not thought through the practical or ethical implications. Anyway, that type of criticism is only the sort of thing a condescending fat-head would say, and we don't have any of those in here.

Ahinton among others has patiently pointed out to you over and over again that UKIP policies enacted would contravene trading with the EU whether the UK was in or out; they would also lead other countries to retaliatory measures against British people making present use of the free movement of peoples and residential rights of ex-pats. The UKIP's working agreements with extremist right wing groups in the EU parliament has also been mentioned. These are just a few of the practical and ethical implications of aligning your thinking to UKIP.

By the way, in real life I am far too scared of the likes of yourself ever to be condescending.

[Beef Oven!]

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Ahinton among others has patiently pointed out to you over and over again that UKIP policies enacted would contravene trading with the EU whether the UK was in or out;

Nonsense. Money talks BS walk. No-one will turn down our orders, BMW, Mercedes, etc

they would also lead other countries to retaliatory measures against British people making present use of the free movement of peoples and residential rights of ex-pats.

What on earth makes you say this? Retaliation? Be realistic, please.

The UKIP's working agreements with extremist right wing groups in the EU parliament has also been mentioned.

Lol! it was pretty obvious that the plan to pull the rug from under UKIP's feet was going to land at some point! Don't blame UKIP for that, blame the undemocratic fascists who put UKIP in that spot (losing all the funding)

These are just a few of the practical and ethical implications of aligning your thinking to UKIP.

Tosh

By the way, in real life I am far too scared of the likes of yourself ever to be condescending.[

'The likes of yourself' ? So explain a bit more about your personal attack on me.

[amateur51]

I said that race was a taboo subject and RB replied that kippers and their band wagon jumpers, blah, blah, blah. And he attributed me thus "On the other hand, on the small chance that you are right and British people really despise foreigners and the most vulnerable members of society". Well I never said anything of the sort.

I don't think that anyone has suggested that I have not thought through the practical or ethical implications. Anyway, that type of criticism is only the sort of thing a condescending fat-head would say, and we don't have any of those in here.

Your false dichotomy that an intelligent person can only support (whatever that means) UKIP in bad faith or the whole thing is just a joke, shows how unbelievably out of touch you are, IMO.

I don't know if Candidate Reckless is intelligent or not (desperate certainly, opportunistic of course) but his lack of detailed grip on UKIP policy seems to have got him into a bit of trouble with The Boss ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30111694

Note the tell-tale tightness of irritation around The Boss' right eye. i think Candidate Reckless needs to get the next round in.

[Serial_Apologist]

Nonsense. Money talks BS walk. No-one will turn down our orders, BMW, Mercedes, etc



What on earth makes you say this? Retaliation? Be realistic, please.



Lol! it was pretty obvious that the plan to pull the rug from under UKIP's feet was going to land at some point! Don't blame UKIP for that, blame the undemocratic fascists who put UKIP in that spot (losing all the funding)



Tosh





'The likes of yourself' ? So explain a bit more about your personal attack on me.

All your replies identify with a Britain without the external interests to back up the kind of power you appear to assume, for starters.

Where does all the weight you throw around on this forum come from?

[amateur51]

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Nonsense. Money talks BS walk. No-one will turn down our orders, BMW, Mercedes, etc



What on earth makes you say this? Retaliation? Be realistic, please.



Lol! it was pretty obvious that the plan to pull the rug from under UKIP's feet was going to land at some point! Don't blame UKIP for that, blame the undemocratic fascists who put UKIP in that spot (losing all the funding)



Tosh





'The likes of yourself' ? So explain a bit more about your personal attack on me.

Oh dear, where's Corporal Jones when you need him?

[Beef Oven!]

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All your replies identify with a Britain without the external interests to back up the kind of power you appear to assume, for starters.

On the contrary, it is the current Britain that cannot act or think outside of the EU template that has the limited interest. The Britain trading, unfettered, with Russia, China, Pakistan, Jamaica, Bangladesh, etc is a bigger external interest.

Where does all the weight you throw around on this forum come from?

Again, for this second ad hominem dig, I would ask you to explain a bit more about what mean by it.

[Serial_Apologist]

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On the contrary, it is the current Britain that cannot act or think outside of the EU template that has the limited interest. The Britain trading, unfettered, with Russia, China, Pakistan, Jamaica, Bangladesh, etc is a bigger external interest.

When BMW's and Mercedes' owners up sticks and move abroad what would UKIP's solution be?

Again, for this second ad hominem dig, I would ask you to explain a bit more about what mean by it.

I'm not a trained psychologist so if you lack the self-insight for an explanation maybe it would be better to stick to political inconsistencies and leave personal ones aside.

[Beef Oven!]

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When BMW's and Mercedes' owners up sticks and move abroad what would UKIP's solution be?

They will still need the British market. They want money.

I'm not a trained psychologist so if you lack the self-insight for an explanation maybe it would be better to stick to political inconsistencies and leave personal ones aside.[

Actually, that's a reason for you to chasten yourself, rather than tell me what to do.

[Serial_Apologist]

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They will still need the British market. They want money.

So they'd nationalise them to be run under worker's control. Hmm - I think I'm beginning to like these UKIP policies.

[Richard Barrett]

I have not said that I or anyone else despise foreigners and 'most vulnerable' members of society. Don't resort to attributing vile ideas to me, just because you can't argue head-on.

As S_A points out I didn't attribute this to you. I'm really not interested in arguing with you "head-on", whatever that means; I was mainly just despairing at what a gruesome state the country has been brought into in recent decades such that an organisation like UKIP can receive the amount of attention that it does.

[Richard Barrett]

I wouldn't be too sure about 'that place' ... and remember ... 'always keep a hold of nurse, for fear of finding something worse'

You're right about Germany of course (although I don't actually live there any more) but I don't think those particular boneheads will get very far. Extreme right parties have been a feature of the German postwar political landscape every now and again, they come and go and make some noise now and again, like the NF/BNP/whatever it is now. The thing is I have an emotional attachment to the old country, hence the despair at what it seems to be becoming.

[MrGongGong]

You need to let the people decide what they think the most important issues are.
.

I think you will probably find that the "most important" issue to "the people" is Kim Kardashian's "naked butt" (whoever she is?)

[Beef Oven!]

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So they'd nationalise them to be run under worker's control.

Now you're being very immature.

[Beef Oven!]

I think you will probably find that the "most important" issue to "the people" is Kim Kardashian's "naked butt" (whoever she is?)

Why is it that the forum's main faux-leftists have such an elitist attitude towards the wider population?