State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

[P. G. Tipps]

Something to do with your raising it on here when it appears to have nothing to do with the subject?

Hmmm ... well having 'nothing to do with the subject' applies to you as much as anyone else here.

Since you pointedly engaged me in 'nothing to do with the subject' it seems strange that you now apparently wish to get swiftly back to 'anything at all I decide has something to do with the subject'? ... or maybe not!

[jean]

You misunderstand.

I have no objection to your raising anything you like on any thread, but it seems a bit odd to claim that your own obsession with what you call the clear hypocrisy and double-standards of the PC Brigade is really the obsession of some other person or persons altogether.

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[ahinton]

You are not seeing an important fact. Somebody has had a go at IDS through his kids. It wasn't said that IDS has big nose or smells of loganberries. The illustration was that his children are poor bastards, because IDS is horrible. Look, I know I go in for this stubborn pedantry, but I didn't know you did.

Then go in for loganberries instead; WONDERFUL things (when you can find them!)

[ahinton]

"Poor bastards" was intended to express sympathy for those children on account of their having such a poltroon for a father. Is that clear now?

It's been clear, I think, to most of us from the outset and I've tried to point that out as best I can; tha fact that a handful of people put their own interpretation on it makes no material difference, really.

[Beef Oven!]

"Poor bastards" was intended to express sympathy for those children on account of their having such a poltroon for a father. Is that clear now?

He may be a better father than you or I, for all you know. So perhaps save your sympathy. What's clear, is that it was a cheap shot.

[Beef Oven!]

It's been clear, I think, to most of us from the outset and I've tried to point that out as best I can; tha fact that a handful of people put their own interpretation on it makes no material diffeence, realy.

Hinty, if RB said orange juice was blue, that'd be clear to you, too.

[ahinton]

Hinty, if RB said orange juice was blue, that'd be clear to you, too.

Sorry - I don't understand what you're getting at here - and who or what, incidentally, is "Hinty"?...

[P. G. Tipps]

You misunderstand.

I have no objection to your raising anything you like on any thread, but it seems a bit odd to claim that your own obsession with what you call the clear hypocrisy and double-standards of the PC Brigade is really the obsession of some other person or persons altogether.

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You're right, I don't understand you here at all, jean!

You're also right that I may well keep banging on about PC as it is everywhere including this forum and I do find it most irritating ... :laugh:

However, I can't see continuing to point out the demonstrable hypocrisy and double-standards of the PC Brigade is such a dreadful 'obsession', do you? Of course, those who support PC will inevitably find it extremely tiresome and, in that case, there is at least an equilibrium of natural justice!

[MrGongGong]

You're also right that I may well keep banging on about PC as it is everywhere including this forum and I do find it most irritating ... :laugh:

It's terrible isn't it?
How inconvenient for you not to be able to address your servants in the ways that you would like.

Did you ever give us a real example? I can't remember

[Richard Barrett]

He may be a better father than you or I, for all you know. So perhaps save your sympathy. What's clear, is that it was a cheap shot.

(yawn) What does that make your own "shots" - expensive? He may be a marvellous parent, but imagine how embarrassing it must be to have to admit that this almost universally loathed individual is your father...

On the other hand, this idea of limiting the capability of poorer people to reproduce, or at least spitefully making it that bit more difficult for them, is a case in point, is it not. IDS himself says such a move would "help behavioural change". It will certainly help people understand what kind of person he is and what the priorities of his party are, denying a few pounds a week (enough to make a difference to many people) to one sector of society while showering the already wealthy with tax breaks, bank bailouts and the like. I don't know about you but I'm very glad my own father wasn't someone like that.

[jean]

However, I can't see continuing to point out the demonstrable hypocrisy and double-standards of the PC Brigade is such a dreadful 'obsession', do you? Of course, those who support PC will inevitably find it extremely tiresome and, in that case, there is at least an equilibrium of natural justice!

But you haven't pointed out anything.

You said:

Scots, particuarly Aberdonians, are regularly labelled in exactly the same way yet not a word of censure from any in the PC Brigade.

I told you that simply wasn't true. Many, probably most, of those you call the PC brigade find such labelling offensive and would protest if they heard anyone doing it.

You may find such concern foolish, especially as you tell us that Scots and particularly Aberdonians like being teased in this way; but you can hardly point to it as an example of double standards.

[MrGongGong]

I told you that simply wasn't true. Many, probably most, of those you call the PC brigade find such labelling offensive and would protest if they heard anyone doing it.

You may find such concern foolish, especially as you tell us that Scots and particularly Aberdonians like being teased in this way; but you can hardly point to it as an example of double standards.

I think this is a well worn (zzzz) spurious 'argument' that many of us have heard for many years.
Some people don't seem to understand that there can be a huge difference between what one person regards as a 'joke' or 'banter' and what others perceive.
Surely the important issue is to do with power, who has it and how it is used?

As far as i'm aware there haven't been many incidences of gangs of Englishmen going round the streets of Kittybrewster looking for 'Jocks' to beat up?

I guess women who object to being assaulted should just 'lighten up' as well? after all it's only a bit of 'harmless fun' isn't it?

[P. G. Tipps]

But you haven't pointed out anything.

You said:


I told you that simply wasn't true. Many, probably most, of those you call the PC brigade find such labelling offensive and would protest if they heard anyone doing it.

You may find such concern foolish, especially as you tell us that Scots and particularly Aberdonians like being teased in this way; but you can hardly point to it as an example of double standards.

I know what I said and you said it simply isn't true when it clearly is true!

When have you ever seen 'outrage' in the media when 'jocks', 'taffys', 'micks', 'frogs', 'krauts' etc etc are mentioned by sports people, especially in the football world. The 'outrage' is reserved solely for certain races and in a very insulting and patronising manner as if they are somehow incapable of accepting thorougly common nicknames just like other races and peoples. I'm not sure if Scots etc like being referred to in such a manner, maybe 'enjoy' was a poor choice of word, I think 'amused' at the silliness of it all might have been a more accurate one?

My point about hypocrisy and double-standards is clearly true and you saying 'it simply isn't true' doesn't alter the truth in any way whatsoever!

[MrGongGong]

I know what I said and you said it simply isn't true when it clearly is true!

When have you ever seen 'outrage' in the media when 'jocks', 'taffys', 'micks', 'frogs', 'krauts' etc etc are mentioned by sports people, especially in the football world. The 'outrage' is reserved solely for certain races and in a very insulting and patronising manner as if they are somehow incapable of accepting thorougly common nicknames just like other races and peoples. I'm not sure if Scots etc like being referred to in such a manner, maybe 'enjoy' was a poor choice of word, I think 'amused' at the silliness of it all might have been a more accurate one?

My point about hypocrisy and double-standards is clearly true and you saying 'it simply isn't true' doesn't alter the truth in any way whatsoever!

FFS
There is a HUGE difference between calling someone a "jock" at a football match and calling someone a (excuse the language) "Paki bastard" and beating them to a pulp because they happen to be a different colour than you.

There is a HUGE difference between Ice Cube referring to himself by the 'N word' and you or I doing it.

For some people its NOT 'silliness' at all, but I guess you have never met people (and NOT just those with darker skin than mine) who have been victims of the results of this.

Maybe if you got out more you might understand?

Your 'point' about 'double standards' is just bullshit.

[jean]

When have you ever seen 'outrage' in the media when 'jocks', 'taffys', 'micks', 'frogs', 'krauts' etc etc are mentioned by sports people, especially in the football world...

And you think of 'the media' as synonymous with 'the PC brigade', do you?

Then we are talking at cross purposes.

But I suppose you remember those Kraut jibes some years ago, anand the violence that followed.