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  • Beef Oven!
    Ex-member
    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
    You can't do that in foreign parts you know, and neither can you use the iPlayer to watch TV programmes, so I shall have to remain ignorant for now.
    When you said you no longer lived in Germany, I thought you'd come back for a while.

    I've added a link, so maybe you can be liberated from your temporary ignorance. Or maybe the link only takes you to the player you can't use.

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    • MrGongGong
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      • Nov 2010
      • 18357

      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
      And why use 'many of us' when you mean only yourself, for certain?
      Assuming that ones own experience and opinions are universal would seem to be a very common delusion.

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      • Richard Barrett

        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
        When you said you no longer lived in Germany, I thought you'd come back for a while.
        No, I've gone even further away. Although I'm not at home at this moment but in a hotel in Vienna getting a couple of hours' rest before soundcheck time.

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        • MrGongGong
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          • Nov 2010
          • 18357

          Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
          No, I've gone even further away. Although I'm not at home at this moment but in a hotel in Vienna getting a couple of hours' rest before soundcheck time.
          You are going to have to run if you are to make St Pauls Hall by this evening!

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          • Beef Oven!
            Ex-member
            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
            No, I've gone even further away. Although I'm not at home at this moment but in a hotel in Vienna getting a couple of hours' rest before soundcheck time.
            A secret/surprise gig? Or can you tell us more?

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37886

              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              Well, if you had tuned into Newsnight last night, you'd know!


              Scroll through to 28 mins 28 secs for Chomsky

              Edit: ".....I think they [Tea Party & UKIP] reflect understandable anger at a neoliberal period, in which the majority of the population has suffered considerably whilst anonymous wealth and power has been accumulated in a tiny fraction of society.....but it's not entirely correct..."

              This is hardly uncomplimentary, so maybe you're not in unison with Chomsky as much as you think, and you should keep your money in your pocket and not make such wagers!
              In fact Chomsky goes on to say "[from end BO's quote] so that, for example, hundreds of thousands of people in New York demonstrated a couple of weeks ago - they were asking for serious action about dealing with the climate catastrophy. That's a huge... it's representative of a huge part of the population, and I think, er, the anger and concern take many different forms, but they have... you can find many common roots".

              He subsequently takes issue with Evan Davies's implicit siding with British anti-immigrant sentiments by pointing out that there are many different points of view on the issue.

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              • P. G. Tipps
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                • Jun 2014
                • 2978

                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                Chomsky of course is not a Marxist or even a pseudo-Marxist.
                Will an 'anarcho-syndacalist' do then ... ? :-)

                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                Or is that too "politically correct" a thing to say?
                Not at all, again I agree with much of that but at least SA is an internationally-recognised state so there is really little comparison between it and a bunch of armed thugs murdering men, women and children and beheading any Western aid worker it can lay its paws on ...

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                • Beef Oven!
                  Ex-member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 18147

                  Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                  In fact Chomsky goes on to say "[from end BO's quote] so that, for example, hundreds of thousands of people in New York demonstrated a couple of weeks ago - they were asking for serious action about dealing with the climate catastrophy. That's a huge... it's representative of a huge part of the population, and I think, er, the anger and concern take many different forms, but they have... you can find many common roots".

                  He subsequently takes issue with Evan Davies's implicit siding with British anti-immigrant sentiments by pointing out that there are many different points of view on the issue.
                  In fact, 'takes issue' is an incorrect description of Chomsky's even-handed, objective analysis. Fortunately, I have posted a link to the interview, so your-talking up can be ignored.

                  Must be frustrating for people like Chomsky when they consider their followers. 'If that's Marxism, then I'm not a Marxist', attributed to KM!

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                  • Beef Oven!
                    Ex-member
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 18147

                    Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                    Will an 'anarcho-syndacalist' do then ... ?
                    Do what?

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                    • MrGongGong
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 18357

                      Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                      Not at all, again I agree with much of that but at least SA is an internationally-recognised state so there is really little comparison between it and a bunch of armed thugs murdering men, women and children and beheading any Western aid worker it can lay its paws on ...
                      How does being "internationally-recognised" mean that it's somehow ok to chop peoples heads off?

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37886

                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        In fact, 'takes issue' is an incorrect description of Chomsky's even-handed, objective analysis. Fortunately, I have posted a link to the interview, so your-talking up can be ignored.
                        That was for Richard.

                        Must be frustrating for people like Chomsky when they consider their followers. 'If that's Marxism, then I'm not a Marxist', attributed to KM!
                        Thanks for providing the link; I could reproduce the remainder of the text of the conversation between Chomsky and Evan Davies...

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                        • teamsaint
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25235

                          [QUOTE=Serial_Apologist;445803]That was for Richard.



                          Thanks for providing the link; I could reproduce the remainder of the text of the conversation between Chomsky and Evan Davies...[/QUOTE]

                          who, the strike breaking , public sector bashing, BBC (balance is our watchword)anchor man ? whistleysmileything....
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • Beef Oven!
                            Ex-member
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 18147

                            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                            How does being "internationally-recognised" mean that it's somehow ok to chop peoples heads off?

                            http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/w...ia-277385.html
                            'Internationally recognised' does not mean ''it's ok to chop peoples (sic) heads off". It means that it is a sovereign state and a member of the United Nations (since 1945). 'It's ok to chop off people's heads' is something that IS believes. If they apply, they will not be admitted to the UN, on at least 1 ground.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37886

                              [QUOTE=teamsaint;445804]
                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              That was for Richard.



                              Thanks for providing the link; I could reproduce the remainder of the text of the conversation between Chomsky and Evan Davies...[/QUOTE]

                              who, the strike breaking , public sector bashing, BBC (balance is our watchword)anchor man ? whistleysmileything....
                              Probably. I was thinking of the Gargoyle, but didn't want to get all personal and upset ff.

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                              • MrGongGong
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                                'Internationally recognised' does not mean ''it's ok to chop peoples (sic) heads off". It means that it is a sovereign state and a member of the United Nations (since 1945). 'It's ok to chop off people's heads' is something that IS believes. If they apply, they will not be admitted to the UN, on at least 1 ground.
                                It's certainly NOT ok to chop off the heads of people....... end
                                But our government seems to like the Saudis, I wonder if they have something viscous that we could do with ?

                                Ethical ? Naaaaaaah

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