Is Nick Clegg the Roy Tucker of Politics?

[MrGongGong]

All of a sudden the person you have been having sex with is somehow not a nice person

I don't buy it

[P. G. Tipps]

I've not heard of Roy Tucker and don't see what Nick Clegg has to do with sex and 'a nice person'.

I don't get it.

[ahinton]

I've not heard of Roy Tucker and don't see what Nick Clegg has to do with sex and 'a nice person'.

I don't get it.

Nor had I, nor do I and nor do I, in that order.

However, a swift Google and I managed to come up wth http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...the-radio.html, from Gillian Reynolds, in which a possible answer to that question might be found in its throwaway afterthought of a final paragraph - but not before a far more apposite piece about Harry B and PMD in which Ms Reynolds observes that
Moderator Tom Service sounded at times like an apprentice cowhand trying to round up two prize steers but it made a marvellous programme
and, insofar as this seems a relatively subtle means of getting away with conveying that the programme concerned contrived to survive not only servicing and steers but also the presence of b**ls**t without actually uttering the word per se, it strikes me as far more to the point (albeit admittedly not the point of this thread)...

Even if this is what MrGG had in mind (i.e. not even a real person but an extract from what passes for a figment of a tired soap scriptwriter's imagination), the connection between it and Mr Nicholas William Peter Clegg continues to escape me.

By the way, speaking of connections, is it a coincidence or something more that the wearisomely over-hyped final of Great British Bake Off is occurring on the final day of the said Mr Clegg's "party" conference? I ask this only because, either way, it would be interesting to witness the egregious Ms P Serkins utter the words "Hermance van den Wall Bake"...

Having got that off my chest (or rather somewhere to the south-west thereof), I would ask Mr GG if indeed the said Mr Clegg is the "anything/one at all" of politics...

[MrGongGong]

I've not heard of Roy Tucker and don't see what Nick Clegg has to do with sex and 'a nice person'.

I don't get it.

You are right there matey

This might help ?

http://www.lowfield.co.uk/archers/

[ahinton]

You are right there matey

This might help ?

http://www.lowfield.co.uk/archers/

So the question relates to Nick Clegg's talents (or otherwise) at archery or debauchery or both?...

[P. G. Tipps]

You are right there matey

This might help ?

http://www.lowfield.co.uk/archers/

Funny, I fully expected that first sentence .... predictability is always a near-infallible guide as to what to expect next!

Sorry, the link doesn't help one bit in trying to comprehend the apparently subtle and still mysterious point that you appear to want to make, MrGongGong.

Or is there a point at all ... ?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

for me Clegg has always been a piece of work to be avoided; Orange Book, not Social Democrat his values have never appealed .... he and Alexander and Laws have driven me from the party this year in complete disgust and revulsion .... they have made a profound mistake in swallowing the mandarin's line about the deficit and national crisis, disregarded the party and electorate members who backed them, and have effectively buried the prospects for a social democratic party for generations ... [Labour are a bunch of losers at present]

i do now think that the Coalition was a profound error and apologise for my tardiness in realising this ... but then i did not vote for Clegg i voted for that lying speedster Huhne ....

[MrGongGong]

Or is there a point at all ... ?

Does Clegg really not like the tories ?
Does Roy no longer feel lust for Lizzie ?

[P. G. Tipps]

Does Clegg really not like the tories ?
Does Roy no longer feel lust for Lizzie ?

a) Well he probably likes some and not others and, no doubt, that might apply to Liberal Democrats as well! The three parties are in General Election mode and are therefore tearing each other to bits. No surprise there. After the election any Coalition Government needs compromises on both sides which is exactly what has happened with the present one. I can't see what is so terrible about political compromise when the election result is indecisive. The alternative is political chaos and no effective government. So coalition government is a 'no brainer', really.

b) You'll have to ask Roy but he may well tell you to mind our own ****** business? <winkeye>

[ahinton]

a) Well he probably likes some and not others and, no doubt, that might apply to Liberal Democrats as well! The three parties are in General Election mode and are therefore tearing each other to bits. No surprise there. After the election any Coalition Government needs compromises on both sides which is exactly what has happened with the present one. I can't see what is so terrible about political compromise when the election result is indecisive. The alternative is political chaos and no effective government. So coalition government is a 'no brainer', really.

b) You'll have to ask Roy but he may well tell you to mind our own ****** business? <winkeye>

Does anyone besides Nick Clegg himself and a handful of what might be left of his henchpersons really care what he thinks of the Tories with whom he and his party are supposedly coming to the end of what mut surely be recognised as an uncomfortable coalition?

Coalition government is not and cannot become a 'no brainer' unless two parties can, following an indecisive General Election result, not only agree to form one (which is by no means a certainty) but also be able to do so on the basis of achieveing an overall majority therewith (which could be even moe uncertain); as I've pointed out before, if no two parties can agree to form a coaliton and achieve an overall majority therewith, an awful lot more will seem to be up for grabs (or not) than has been the case in living memory.

I still have no idea what Roy Tucker (whoever he is or is not) has to do with this potentially dangerous situation.

[MrGongGong]

The alternative is political chaos and no effective government.

Get's my vote

[ahinton]

Get's my vote

And your apo'strophe, too, it seems!

"The alternative is political chaos and no effective government", Mr Tipps? What guarantee can there be that a coalition could emerge from a General Election that produces no overall majority? If next time around it really is a four party race (and I admit that the continuously parlous state of the LibDems does seem to make this incresingly unlikely) with additional input from the Greens and others, who's going to want to form a coalition with UKIP? Could you imagine Labour and Conservative forming a coalition? Have you considered the possibility that the "political chaos and no effective government" of which you write might be unavoidable unless three parties agree to combine to form a coalition in order to achieve overall majority? - and how likely do you suppose that will be?

I realise that this makes no mention of Roy Tucker but don't see that as making my post off-topic, especially since Nick Clegg exists (or at least I think he does) and Roy Tucker doesn't and therefore the latter is not about to declare "go back to Lower Loxley and prepare for government!" (see - having discovered the identity of this Roy Tucker, I don't neglect my research!)...

[P. G. Tipps]

I think we can now safely dismiss Mr Roy Tucker and musings about any sexual urges the gentleman has for Ms 'Lizzie' as being somewhat irrelevant to the future prospects of Mr 'Nick' Clegg and the wholesale political anarchy that Mr GongGong also now appears to be advocating as a solution to the country's problems.

You are correct that an indecisive result after the next General Election could be quite a horror show if, say, UKIP were to hold the balance of power. Now that would be a prospect almost too dire to contemplate.

However, in such an extreme emergency, and the country continuing to be mired in ever-increasing debt, the possibility of a National Government combining both Tories and Labourites is not beyond the bounds of possibility and indeed was actually mooted by some following the result in 2010. After all, there has been a very famous precedent?

My own feeling is that, though that wretched renegade, Mr Douglas Carswell MP, might well win the Clacton bye-election, UKIP will not gain many seats (if any) at a General Election.

That is my feeling, and indeed my fervent hope, and that the current Coalition gets the second term every government needs, in the event of no outright victory for either the Tories or Labour.

Whatever, the prospect for all of us is not a happy one, Mr Alistair (or should it be Alasdair?) Hinton ...

[agingjb]

It is only the inability of the two larger parties to co-operate that gives smaller parties the opportunity to form a coalition with one or other of them.

[ahinton]

You are correct that an indecisive result after the next General Election could be quite a horror show if, say, UKIP were to hold the balance of power. Now that would be a prospect almost too dire to contemplate.

Whilst I agree that it would, I was not thinking only of that; UKIP might not find itself to be the only party holding the balance of power and, if the LibDems somehow contrive to extricate them from the slough of despond that now besets them, that very balance of power could be held by both them and UKIP, possibly even in near equal measure; the more seats that each gain, the greater that balance of power split between them and the weaker will be any government that somehow manages to form itself thereafter.

However, in such an extreme emergency, and the country continuing to be mired in ever-increasing debt, the possibility of a National Government combining both Tories and Labourites is not beyond the bounds of possibility and indeed was actually mooted by some following the result in 2010. After all, there has been a very famous precedent?

There has indeed, although the circumstances of that were very different and it was a long time ago. It could be argued that such a possibility is greater now than once it was because the differences between Tory and Labour are less than once they were, but can you really see a Camerband government emerging from so indecisive a result? Also (albeit only theoretically), if all four end up with similar numbers of seats, even this might not achieve an overall majority, especially if the Greens and others manage to gain sufficient seats to ensure that no two-party coalition could hope to seal an overall majority.

My own feeling is that, though that wretched renegade, Mr Douglas Carswell MP, might well win the Clacton bye-election, UKIP will not gain many seats (if any) at a General Election.

I, too, doubt that they will and suspect that most of those that they might gain will be down to protest voting, but they and the LibDems between them could create considerable havoc even if each only gains a few seats.

Alistair (or should it be Alasdair?) Hinton ...

It's Alistair.