Inventions by Muslims

[amateur51]

You may not 'see' or even 'think', as you, yourself, have previously and rather modestly conceded, but that does not mean the rest of us do not, scotty.

The article clearly identifies the strong link between Presbyterianism (a religion) and the Scottish Enlightenment which ultimately paved the way for so many inventions and medical discoveries by its learned sons.

Ah there's the rub! i have not mentioned these things at any time. Go pick on someone who has.

[amateur51]

And so it may indeed try to do that, but that doesn't make it corrrect; the faciolity to invent and make medical discoveries knows no such cultural boundaries because it's down to the imagination of each individual capable of achieveing such inventions and mdeicla discoveries. In any case, Presbyterianism is not in principle a "religion" per se but just one particular and particularised branch of Protestant Christian practice (insofar as it is even that).

Well said ahinton

[ahinton]

Well said ahinton

Thank you - but very badly typed, I now see! I've corrected mine now...

[P. G. Tipps]

... I now see! ...

Well. a good old-fashioned Presbyterian 'Hallelujah' to that! ... maybe you might now kindly lend amateur51 your specs, ahinton?

[P. G. Tipps]

Oddly enough I don't ever think about the religious or cultural background of inventors. It seems to be so ... pointless.

Ah there's the rub! i have not mentioned these things at any time. Go pick on someone who has.

So again you are quite mistaken and your memory seems to have failed you extraordinarily quickly.

You clearly referred to both religion and inventors in the first of these posts and indeed mentioned them both in the very same sentence!

[ahinton]

Well. a good old-fashioned Presbyterian 'Hallelujah' to that!

From you, should you wish; however, such exclamations cut little ice here, I fear...

... maybe you might now kindly lend amateur51 your specs, ahinton?

I've no idea what you mean by that...

[P. G. Tipps]

From you, should you wish; however, such exclamations cut little ice here, I fear...

Are you suggesting members have such a narrow-minded, mean-spirited linguistic view of the world as you suggest, ahinton?

On the contrary, I believe they are rather more likely to have quite the opposite (view)!

I've no idea what you mean by that...

Well, we've already had from elsewhere 'no think' and 'no see' and now it's 'no idea' which, taken at face-value, do reflect rather poorly on the brainpower of a tiny section of members.

Maybe all these sudden and rather uncharacteristic cries of personal mental incapacity might be more accurately described as 'no answer' and therefore come across as rather more convincing?!

Finally, back on topic, the architectural inventiveness of the Muslim world clearly inspired and influenced architects in many parts of Europe and beyond.

[ahinton]

Are you suggesting members have such a narrow-minded, mean-spirited linguistic view of the world as you suggest, ahinton?

Am I suggesting what I suggest, as you put it? It would technically be impossible to do otherwise, except that I was suggeting nothing of the kind, since the suggesting is all down to you here.

On the contrary, I believe they are rather more likely to have quite the opposite (view)!

You are, of course, as entitled to have and express your belief (if such it is) as I am to question the existence and source of the evidence upon which you seek to base it.

[P. G. Tipps]

Am I suggesting what I suggest, as you put it? It would technically be impossible to do otherwise, except that I was suggeting nothing of the kind, since the suggesting is all down to you here..

I accept the glaring linguistic imperfection, ahinton, which went unchecked, but hardly feel you might the most appropriate member to point out the clear deficiencies of such a poorly-constructed post!!

You are, of course, as entitled to have and express your belief (if such it is) as I am to question the existence and source of the evidence upon which you seek to base it.

You've done nothing of the kind ... you've simply said you have 'no idea' what I could possibly mean when I 'suggested' (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) that another member might borrow your specs so that he could 'see' what he, himself, had typed in a previous post.

The 'existence and source of the evidence' are still there if you care to put back on your specs and have a proper look!

Hmmm, on second thoughts ... let's just move on!

[amateur51]

So again you are quite mistaken and your memory seems to have failed you extraordinarily quickly.

You clearly referred to both religion and inventors in the first of these posts and indeed mentioned them both in the very same sentence!

When I referred to 'these things' I was clearly referring to your sentence "The article clearly identifies the strong link between Presbyterianism (a religion) and the Scottish Enlightenment which ultimately paved the way for so many inventions and medical discoveries by its learned sons. "

I have never mentioned these things.

Ask Mr Rothbards if you may borrow the specs again.

[P. G. Tipps]

When I referred to 'these things' I was clearly referring to your sentence "The article clearly identifies the strong link between Presbyterianism (a religion) and the Scottish Enlightenment which ultimately paved the way for so many inventions and medical discoveries by its learned sons. "

I have never mentioned these things.

Ask Mr Rothbards if you may borrow the specs again.

What you clearly said was that you never considered the religious background of inventors because you thought that to be 'pointless', as if it didn't matter or had any influence. So you did indeed mention 'these things' ... religion in relation to inventions. It is there in black-and-white, amateur51!

After the subject of Scottish inventions was introduced (not by me) I added that the Scottish Enlightenment, which paved the way for many of these inventions, did indeed have a religious (Presbyterian) background whether you consider that particular irrefutable point to be 'pointless' or not!

Oh never mind ... enough!

[amateur51]

What you clearly said was that you never considered the religious background of inventors because you thought that to be 'pointless', as if it didn't matter or had any influence. So you did indeed mention 'these things' ... religion in relation to inventions. It is there in black-and-white, amateur51!

After the subject of Scottish inventions was introduced (not by me) I added that the Scottish Enlightenment, which paved the way for many of these inventions, did indeed have a religious (Presbyterian) background whether you consider that particular irrefutable point to be 'pointless' or not!

Oh never mind ... enough!

Phenomenological considerations aside, I refer you to my message #25

[ahinton]

Phenomenological considerations aside, I refer you to my message #25

I have to confess to having lost the point of what the teabag was saying - or the will to live - or both, or something...

[Serial_Apologist]

I have to confess to having lost the point of what the teabag was saying - or the will to live - or both, or something...

I think he gets some kind of kick out of tying people up in knots. Or Herefordistan, or wherever. There's a certain character type here on display - I picture the glee as he presses the next point home, ever-reluctant to admit defeat in argument, shifting the goal posts: my dear departed father.

[ahinton]

I think he gets some kind of kick out of tying people up in knots.

Maybe, but the only person whom he really ties up in knots is himself, especially when few if any other members understand what he's on about some of the time.

Or Herefordistan, or wherever.

I don't think that they do that kind of thing to people around these parts these days - at least I've never seen or heard evidence thereof (although I admit that I'd go to some lengths to avoid looking or listening).

There's a certain character type here on display - I picture the glee as he presses the next point home, ever-reluctant to admit defeat in argument, shifting the goal posts: my dear departed father.

"Point", you say? When he has one, I can recognise it and agree or disagree as with anyone else; it's when what he says borders on the incomprehensible that any sense of "point" is lost, at least to everyone else but the person making the non-point.