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  • P. G. Tipps
    Full Member
    • Jun 2014
    • 2978

    #61
    Originally posted by ahinton View Post
    "Flooded with oil money", yes, indeed - but whose? Do you believe that these two countries are self-sufficient economically to the extent of requiring no external investment from anywhere else?
    'The Greatest Country On Earth' itself receives external investment from these oil-rich countries and is now pretty much dependent on Chinese trade and capital in order to retain its economic position.

    In truth no country is 'self-sufficient economically' in the current global system.

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    • ahinton
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 16123

      #62
      Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
      'The Greatest Country On Earth' itself receives external investment from these oil-rich countries and is now pretty much dependent on Chinese trade and capital in order to retain its economic position.
      Which country's that, then?

      Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
      In truth no country is 'self-sufficient economically' in the current global system.
      Of course not; I didn't suggest that it could be "Economic self-sufficiency", however, as that has no part in the point that I made.
      Last edited by ahinton; 30-09-14, 10:54.

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      • amateur51

        #63
        Originally posted by johnb View Post
        I get you. Tony Blair was part of a conspiracy to persuade Saudi Arabia to fund ISIS. Silly me, why didn't I think of that.

        Presumably he also stoked the hatred that the Saudis have of the Shias.
        Nope, I clearly haven't explained it properly

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        • amateur51

          #64
          Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
          Let me put it like this, johnb, without repeating all my previous posts ...

          The vote in the Commons following Mr Galloway's speech was 524-43 against 'the gist of what he said'.

          I believe the views of the overwhelming majority of MPs, including the leadership of the three main parties, were 'spot-on' on this occasion, not those of Mr Galloway!

          Trust you can now spot the area of disagreement!
          These being the same group of dullards who voted for the previous excursions in the Middle East i assume.

          What a resounding success they were.

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          • amateur51

            #65
            Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
            'The Greatest Country On Earth' itself receives external investment from these oil-rich countries and is now pretty much dependent on Chinese trade and capital in order to retain its economic position.

            In truth no country is 'self-sufficient economically' in the current global system.
            Haven't you read of the US economy's turn-around as a result of fracking?

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            • P. G. Tipps
              Full Member
              • Jun 2014
              • 2978

              #66
              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
              Which country's that, then?
              Oh go on, have a guess!


              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
              Of course not; I didn't suggest that it could be "Economic self-sifficiency", however, has no part in the point that I made.
              Deciphering what you mean through the fog of bad grammar I would now remind you what you actually posted: Which was ...

              'Do you believe that these two countries are self-sufficient economically to the extent of requiring no external investment from anywhere else?'

              You've been rumbled, ahinton ... you're really amateur51, aren't you?!!

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              • amateur51

                #67
                Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                Oh go on, have a guess!




                Deciphering what you mean through the fog of bad grammar I would now remind you what you actually posted: Which was ...

                'Do you believe that these two countries are self-sufficient economically to the extent of requiring no external investment from anywhere else?'

                You've been rumbled, ahinton ... you're really amateur51, aren't you?!!
                No scotty, you're the one with multiple personalities on here, remember?

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                • ahinton
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 16123

                  #68
                  Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                  Deciphering what you mean through the fog of bad grammar
                  You mean missing words, which have now been inserted.

                  Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                  I would now remind you what you actually posted: Which was ...

                  'Do you believe that these two countries are self-sufficient economically to the extent of requiring no external investment from anywhere else?'

                  You've been rumbled, ahinton
                  How and for what? That makes no sense. The question was as you quote it; your response is in no sense an answer to it. Furthermore, since I posted the question that you quote, I did not need "reminding" of it.

                  Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                  ... you're really amateur51, aren't you?!!
                  No; multiple forum IDs are against the rules, a fact of which I'd assumed you to be aware.

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                  • ardcarp
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    #69
                    The middle of 3 guests on R4's Start the week, Justin Marozzi, has lived in Baghdad for 10 years, and really he should be sought as an advisor by any Western politician bent of firing rockets in the Middle East.

                    The prograame:



                    Justin's book:

                    Baghdad, City of Peace, City of Blood

                    [I've posted under Theory and Ideas]

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                    • P. G. Tipps
                      Full Member
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 2978

                      #70
                      Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                      No; multiple forum IDs are against the rules, a fact of which I'd assumed you to be aware.
                      Passing by the sheer incomprehensibility of the rest of your post, I'd assumed that you might have seen the simple irony in my teasing question, which I thought an appropriate retort to a tiny group of members (including yourself) pondering on whether I'm someone called 'scotty' or 'scottycelt'.

                      From now on, I would beg you and others to refer to me by my proper and only registered screen-name. To do otherwise might not officially break any forum rules but is certainly contrary to the spirit of simple forum courtesy.

                      Thank You.

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                      • visualnickmos
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3610

                        #71
                        Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                        .....but is certainly contrary to the spirit of simple forum courtesy.

                        Thank You.
                        Pot, kettle...

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                        • P. G. Tipps
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                          • Jun 2014
                          • 2978

                          #72
                          Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                          Pot, kettle...
                          No doubt, visualnickmos ... though I see you have a rather different idea of 'engagement' than I do!

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                          • ahinton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 16123

                            #73
                            Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                            Passing by the sheer incomprehensibility of the rest of your post
                            To you, perhaps...

                            Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                            I'd assumed that you might have seen the simple irony in my teasing question
                            Your attempt at irony being more notable for its rustiness than any other characteristic and the woeful absence of anything teasing suggests that you should consider being more careful as to what you assume...

                            Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                            which I thought an appropriate retort to a tiny group of members (including yourself) pondering on whether I'm someone called 'scotty' or 'scottycelt'.
                            On the contrary, I seem to be the member who has expressed the most doubt about that.

                            Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                            From now on, I would beg you and others to refer to me by my proper and only registered screen-name.
                            Your "proper name" is P. G. Tipps? Goodness me! Philip George, presumably, given your apparent brand of patriotism.

                            Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                            To do otherwise might not officially break any forum rules but is certainly contrary to the spirit of simple forum courtesy.
                            Toys. Pram.

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                            • ahinton
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16123

                              #74
                              Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                              No doubt, visualnickmos ... though I see you have a rather different idea of 'engagement' than I do!
                              We're not going off topic into same sex marraige, surely?...

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                              • P. G. Tipps
                                Full Member
                                • Jun 2014
                                • 2978

                                #75
                                Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                                Pot, kettle...
                                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                                Toys. Pram.
                                One does quite reasonably wonder ...

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