Fake Dr dies

[ahinton]

Was RVW's, Tod Handley's, et al doctorates fake too?

Did I suggest that IP's or any of these were fake? What I wrote was
"the university that conferred an honorary doctorate upon IP is no more "fake" (its inappropriateness notwithstanding) than is the honorary doctorate that it conferred upon him".
I therefore don't undersatand the point of your question!

I suppose you don't accept that former polytechnics are proper universities either?

You may of course suppose what you will, but I made no such suggestion!

[ahinton]

HA HA

Huddersfield IS a "proper" university and a mighty fine music degree you get from there IMV (I'll send the BACS details by email OK !)
BUT a load of evangelical nutcases giving Mr Bellowhead a PHD strikes me as ridiculous
the other folks you mention actually DID something to make the world a better place.

That's just the point. The university that conferred an honorary degree upon IP is no more fake than was/is the degree itself; it's the deeply questionable appropriateness of its awarding that matters.

[jean]

...What I wrote was
"the university that conferred an honorary doctorate upon IP is no more "fake" (its inappropriateness notwithstanding) than is the honorary doctorate that it conferred upon him".

You make the rather strange suggestion that a university can be properly described a inappropriate.

Possibly your parenthesis is in the wrong place?

[ahinton]

You make the rather strange suggestion that a university can be properly described a inappropriate.

Possibly your parenthesis is in the wrong place?

Indeed; an unintentional suggestion, of course and one which is now duly corrected above. Thank you for that.

[amateur51]

I can only think you have once again hit on the wrong forum, amateur51 ...?

'These English people' doesn't sound very politically-correct to me and I would urge you to be more respectful to probably the vast majority of members here.

As for Welsh poets and dramatists I fear that, however accomplished, they will have had little bearing and influence on the awarding by a US 'university' of the honorary degree to the late Dr Paisley?

The member for Wilmslow/Alderley Edge is not even close, I regret to say.

A poor show.

[amateur51]

Oh, yes, he was very good at bellowing...

... and judging the failings of others

[amateur51]

Was RVW's, Tod Handley's, et al doctorates fake too?

I suppose you don't accept that former polytechnics are proper universities either?

I thought Paisley's doctorate was off-the-peg and paid for?

[P. G. Tipps]

That's just the point. The university that conferred an honorary degree upon IP is no more fake than was/is the degree itself; it's the deeply questionable appropriateness of its awarding that matters.

The 'deeply questionable appropriateness' is presumably merely due to the fact that you did not share the beliefs and politics of the late Doctor and are therefore somewhat unsympathetic to the honorary title officially bestowed upon him?

So that does not matter one scrap. The only thing that matters is that Dr Paisley was awarded the official title and, accordingly, had every right to use it, irrespective of your (and indeed Mr GongGong's) virulent disapprobation?

[ahinton]

The 'deeply questionable appropriateness' is presumably merely due to the fact that you did not share the beliefs and politics of the late Doctor and are therefore somewhat unsympathetic to the honorary title officially bestowed upon him?

Whilst I did indeed not share the beliefs or politics of IP, my lack of sympathy for the degree (not quite "title" in the generally accepted sense, methinks) bestowed upon him originates, as I'd thought I'd already clarified, in IP's questionable "Christian" credentials - and, for the record, I'm not a Christian either but I do not believe that this fact bars me from commenting on what plenty of people, Christian and otherwise, have said about those credentials.

So that does not matter one scrap.

It doesn't have to matter to you, nor would I necessarily expect it to do so.

The only thing that matters is that Dr Paisley was awarded the official title and, accordingly, had every right to use it, irrespective of your (and indeed Mr GongGong's) virulent disapprobation?

That he was indeed awarded that degree "matters" only to the extent that such an award was and remains questionable in the light of some of IP's conduct and self-presentation which were not infrequently at odds with his avowed and purported "Christian" credentials. I cannot and would not seek to speak for MrGG's views on this matter or indeed on the reasons why he holds them but, as far as mine are concerned, of course IP had a "right" (insofar as it goes) to use what had been legitimately (I do not say justifiably, which is a quite different issue) bestowed upon him by a legitimate organisation and my disapprobation thereof is most certainly not "virulent", but that does not mean that I believe that IP merited that award or that the university that conferred it upon him did so wisely or understandably in the first place.

I hope that this is now clear.

Somone whom I know has described IP as an insult to Christ, Christianity and Christians; whilst I would not go quite that far, the fact that this remark comes from a lifelong Protestant of similar age to IP explains why it has not passed unnoticed.

[P. G. Tipps]

... of course IP had a "right" (insofar as it goes) to use what had been legitimately (I do not say justifiably, which is a quite different issue) ...

I hope that this is now clear.

Well, not really, as the 'insofar as it goes' and 'I do not say justifiably' are wholly irrelevant to the issue as others might think that there are no really measurable degrees of a 'right' and the award itself was more than justified?

Somone whom I know has described IP as an insult to Christ, Christianity and Christians; whilst I would not go quite that far, the fact that this remark comes from a lifelong Protestant of similar age to IP explains why it has not passed unnoticed.

Well I'm sure we all know someone, even lifelong Protestants, with similar unkind and judgemental opinions about the late Doctor which, in themselves, are not exactly compatible with the basic tenets of Christianity?

Logic and consistency must ever prevail, ahinton!

[MrGongGong]

Logic and consistency must ever prevail, ahinton!

Like in the Bible hey Scotty ? ;-)

I don't really give a toss about mrP (NOT that one !)
But find the awarding of "official" (or otherwise) honorary degrees to someone who spread bile and hatred rather distasteful.

Whether it's "legitimate" or of the Gillian McKeith variety :yikes:

[ahinton]

Well, not really, as the 'insofar as it goes' and 'I do not say justifiably' are wholly irrelevant to the issue as others might think that there are no really measurable degrees of a 'right' and the award itself was more than justified?

Some might think that it was, I suppose - but beyond noting that fact (if indeed it is one), it's "wholly irrelevant" to those who find some of his behaviour deplorable and ill befitting a man of the cloth who was presumably away from school the day that they taught about Christian compassion...

Well I'm sure we all know someone, even lifelong Protestants, with similar unkind and judgemental opinions about the late Doctor which, in themselves, are not exactly compatible with the basic tenets of Christianity?

Turning the other cheek may have its place but also its limitations.

Logic and consistency must ever prevail, ahinton!

A lesson that you mnight do well to learn, having first come to appreciate that "logic" and "your logic" are by no means always synonymous, methinks.

[ahinton]

Like in the Bible hey Scotty ? ;-)

I don't really give a toss about mrP (NOT that one !)
But find the awarding of "official" (or otherwise) honorary degrees to someone who spread bile and hatred rather distasteful.

That's exactly the point, but it evidently remains lost on our Tippster.

[P. G. Tipps]

That's exactly the point, ...

No it's not, it's just your (and MrGongGong's) personal opinion which has absolutely nothing to do with whether Dr Paisley was entitled to be so addressed.

You have already told MrGongGong that the honorary doctorate was not a 'fake' so you are actually in agreement with me, and not him, and yet you don't seem to realise it?

Quite extraordinary, ahinton!

[MrGongGong]

No it's not, it's just your (and MrGongGong's) personal opinion which has absolutely nothing to do with whether Dr Paisley was entitled to be so addressed.

You have already told MrGongGong that the honorary doctorate was not a 'fake' so you are actually in agreement with me, and not him, and yet you don't seem to realise it?

Quite extraordinary, ahinton!

Excuse me PG Scotty or whoever
I'm now a LORD so less of the Mr if you don't mind
(it's as credible as Bellowheads Dr)