Yes or No and no bullsh*t

[teamsaint]

... "hefted". One of Mme V's favourite words.

Sounds to me that Teamsaint is well hefted...

http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/featur...h/hefted1.html

you must be joking. I have lived in Wiltshire for 18 years.


Although,I can take a 10 minute walk , from where I can see the Hampshire border, and that is all I need..... perhaps that marks me as " Hefted " anyway.

If I understand correctly.... but i probably don't, not easy for us EDL members to understand fancy words like that.

[jean]

... "hefted". One of Mme V's favourite words.

Sounds to me that Teamsaint is well hefted...

To me, Englishness is both too large and too small to invite identification.

(Ask any Herdwick sheep.)

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

i thought Peter Hain had the best option; late this morning he was commenting on the results and argued for a British Federation of Regions .... we all need devo max from Whitehall and Westminster


btw the news on the climate has been steadily growing more alarming - we could do with a national referendum on climate strategies? the Scots Referendum certainly has opened the can on the constitution .... the arguments will be truly fierce in both the constitutional and climate crises that we now address .....

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jgWUi-ozMAU

Then in flies a guy who's all dressed up like a Union Jack
And says, I've won five pounds if I have his kind of detergent pack

[teamsaint]

i thought Peter Hain had the best option; late this morning he was commenting on the results and argued for a British Federation of Regions .... we all need devo max from Whitehall and Westminster


btw the news on the climate has been steadily growing more alarming - we could do with a national referendum on climate strategies? the Scots Referendum certainly has opened the can on the constitution .... the arguments will be truly fierce in both the constitutional and climate crises that we now address .....

the recent articles on population growth were scary too. Don't know what the "truth" of them is, of course..........

[french frank]

There's been plenty of discussion on the P&CA board, anyway.

There has. This will be merged with that thread as being "Currents Affairs" and "Politics".

It's an interesting debate and people are invited to join in, if they so wish - here.

[Don Petter]

I guess we can still sing verse six, then? :erm:

[ahinton]

If I understand correctly.... but i probably don't, not easy for us EDL members to understand fancy words like that.

I have to admit that I'd no idea that you belonged to the English Disco Lovers (see http://www.edl.me/ ); one learns something new every day.

[french frank]

To me, Englishness is both too large and too small to invite identification.

And too complex. For me 'Britishness' means England+Scotland+Wales+N. Ireland. And the various bits of Saxon, Norman, Pickard, Britton, Burgoyne, Gascoigne, Ascoyne D'Ascoyne and all the other bits we've picked up on our way to 2014.

might eventually be the establishment of the Democratic Republic of Bristol...

Erm ... PRSC, anyone? http://www.prsc.org.uk/

Even the council is fairly relaxed - even encouraging - about having it in the midst of our fair city.

[Serial_Apologist]

To me, Englishness is both too large and too small to invite identification.

(Ask any Herdwick sheep.)

Indeed: as a buddhist explained many, many years ago to me, any attempt at identity definition comes up against the fact that regardless of origin or place of current abode, who we are, individually and collectively, so far transcends description, consisting as it does of everything that we have ever done and has ever happened to us, including right now, that it can no more be encompassed in description than the ocean measured by means of a fork. Identity, in other words, is just description, no more and no less; there is nothing inside our outside our skins to grasp or hold onto. It may seem bleak as a conclusion, but actually it's quite liberating once one starts to see everything in relative terms, and not confuse the journey of life with the map.

[P. G. Tipps]

I have to say I've never, ever, come across any Englishman or Englishwoman who has been particularly reluctant to describe themselves as such (quite the opposite, in fact) and I've lived south of the border for just over forty years!

I must be mixing with the wrong English people, I suppose ...

[MrGongGong]

I have to say I've never, ever, come across any Englishman or Englishwoman who has been particularly reluctant to describe themselves as such (quite the opposite, in fact) and I've lived south of the border for just over forty years!

I must be mixing with the wrong English people, I suppose ...

I think you need to get out more!
I was born in England
have lived here all my life
I am a man
but would never use the word "Englishman" to describe myself at all

[P. G. Tipps]

I think you need to get out more!
I was born in England
have lived here all my life
I am a man
but would never use the word "Englishman" to describe myself at all

Astonishing ... I've worked in a busy retail environment all over the North of England for many years, and socialised with the best of them and, yet, have never come across such a bashful and diffident national breed of which you are so proud to be a member, MrGongGong!

Give me a clue ... are you from Cornwall ... or Wessex, maybe ... ?

[teamsaint]

Indeed: as a buddhist explained many, many years ago to me, any attempt at identity definition comes up against the fact that regardless of origin or place of current abode, who we are, individually and collectively, so far transcends description, consisting as it does of everything that we have ever done and has ever happened to us, including right now, that it can no more be encompassed in description than the ocean measured by means of a fork. Identity, in other words, is just description, no more and no less; there is nothing inside our outside our skins to grasp or hold onto. It may seem bleak as a conclusion, but actually it's quite liberating once one starts to see everything in relative terms, and not confuse the journey of life with the map.

I don't doubt the truth of what you say.
to take things back to a more prosaic level, we live in a world where identity is highly valued, for better , or probably worse.

Identifying with things, ( politics, fashion, class,nationality, football team, academic achievement etc etc etc) is probably, for many of us difficult to avoid.
Do the problems not start to multiply quickly when we use these things in an attempt to achieve a feeling of self worth?

[P. G. Tipps]

This reminds me of the tale that the late Clydeside communist, Jimmy Reid, loved to relate:

Jimmy and an English comrade once travelled to attend some Party convention behind the Iron Curtain. When they were both going through passport control at the airport Jimmy's comrade happened to notice that in the 'nationality' box on Jimmy's passport he had written the word SCOTTISH instead of the more common BRITISH. 'You bloody nationalist!', the Englishman snarled, 'you Scots are all the same!'

So Jimmy asked in turn to see the comrade's passport and when he found the right page indicating the bearer's nationality, there it was in huge letters ... ENGLISH.

That story rings so very true to me!