Yes or No and no bullsh*t

[MrGongGong]

There was a television programme looking at that very idea, calling the resulting overpopulated country with few natural resources "Albion".

Are the people of Essex "Natural Resources" ?

[Richard Tarleton]

According to today's Times Diary, more than 1300 people in Galicia (NW Spain) have signed a petition on Change.org asking if they can secede from Spain and become part of the UK. "The petitioners set out a case based on similarities with Scotland - the leading football team is called Celta Vigo, they have their own form of bagpipes and it also rains a lot".

[ahinton]

As I've already mentioned it was Cameron who insisted the third option on the ballot paper was not to be part of the referendum agreement, nobody else. If it had been there everybody in Scotland knows it would have won comfortably and, even if it hadn't, there would still have been little chance of a majority for 'independence'.

Whether anyone thinks Scotland is worth the bother or not as regards the rest of the UK is not the point. You don't have to think something is particularly valuable to lose it.

Unfortunately for Cameron, Scotland may not be that valuable for the Tory Party, but it is essential in order to retain the UK's place in the world, both politically and economically, as many will no doubt discover after any YES vote. To be fair to Cameron, he at least already knows this, hence the sudden panic!

But what you you suppose they might discover after a "No" vote if that's what happens?

He miscalculated, pure and simple.

I'm not about to doubt that he may well have miscalculated but I do take issue with your reference to "pure and simple", as I think that it's nothing of the kind!

[P. G. Tipps]

But what you you suppose they might discover after a "No" vote if that's what happens?

I suppose they might discover that Scotland remains part of the UK and long drawn-out negotiations will begin to settle the actual amount of Home Rule/Devo Max to be applied.

I'm not about to doubt that he may well have miscalculated but I do take issue with your reference to "pure and simple", as I think that it's nothing of the kind!

Well, if you are 'not about to doubt' he may well have miscalculated why do you take issue with the perfectly logical and conclusive reference to it as being 'pure and simple'?

[ahinton]

I suppose they might discover that Scotland remains part of the UK and long drawn-out negotiations will begin to settle the actual amount of Home Rule/Devo Max to be applied.

But if, as many have suggested, the more Devo-Max Westminster gives to Scotland, the greate the appetatie for full independence will go with it, all that they might dsicover after a "no" vote is the extent of risk of "neverendum" being thrust upon them as a directg consequence.

Well, if you are 'not about to doubt' he may well have miscalculated why do you take issue with the perfectly logical and conclusive reference to it as being 'pure and simple'?

Quite simply (if not also purely!) because the consequences of DC's "miscalculations" are not about to disappear overnight - or indeed at all - in the event of Devo-Max being offered as a knee-jerk sop to the Scots followng a "No" vote; OK, Westminster is unlikely to want to give the electorate in Scotland a second bite at this particular cherry (or raspberry, since it's Scoland that we're discussing here) but, if offering Devo-Max to Scotland is perceived by Westminster after a "No" vote as the most effective way to try to keep a lid on the possible acrimony between the two sides following such a result, I think that Westminster might only end up perpetuating its tradition of "miscalculations" thereby and serve to make matters worse still.

[Serial_Apologist]

Are the people of Essex "Natural Resources" ?

Not when I was there: far too much make-up, fake boobs etc etc.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

oddly i think this was made by bbc scotland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzNSOhGcQts&feature=player_detailpage

over 4m people have experienced today one of the great mysteries of human culture; they answered a deeply complex and important question by making a mark on paper in one of two boxes ..... the mystery is the summation of their personal knowledge, experience of the campaign, and arguments and behaviours; and it comes down to a movement of the hand .... and lo a decision is made [it is already claimed as 54/46 to No] ... many people speak of feeling their arm decide, as if their mind was not open to any debate - a decision had been reached before they had thought they had decided or the decision they thought they had made was not executed by the arm. the other choice taken ... as a professional student of surveys and questionnaires &c over the decades i have found this decision point process to be mysterious and fascinating ....

[Beef Oven!]

Scotland say 'No', by a significant majority.

[Nick Armstrong]

What's the betting Salmond will swim for cover leaving Sturgeon in the shallows...

[ahinton]

What's the betting Salmond will swim

upstream, presumably?...

leaving Sturgeon in the shallows...

caviar emptor and all that...

[ahinton]

Scotland say 'No', by a significant majority.

Well, that's the first pig's breakfast over; I wonder what the next ones will be like. We'll soon find out, no doubt. Whitehall farces just ain't what they used to be...

[P. G. Tipps]

Well, that's the first pig's breakfast over; I wonder what the next ones will be like. We'll soon find out, no doubt.

Well, I think we already have a fair idea.

'We Love You Scotland, We Want You To Stay' has been replaced overnight by "Hey, Never Mind ****** Scotland, What About Poor Old England?"

[Beef Oven!]

Well, that's the first pig's breakfast over; I wonder what the next ones will be like. We'll soon find out, no doubt. Whitehall farces just ain't what they used to be...

This has given me an idea.

How about a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU?

[french frank]

This has given me an idea.

How about a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU?

That should have been definitely on the cards BEFORE the Scottish vote: it might have changed the result.

I liked the claim that the Yes campaign was marked by its positivity and the No campaign by its negativity.

[MrGongGong]

Well that's a bit disappointing
back to the same old shite with the posh boys doing the triumphant dance around the room
and we will have to pay the bribes or will the "vow" (or was it a "pledge") to give more turn out to be another empty promise ?

I was looking forward to the constitutional crisis

I liked the claim that the Yes campaign was marked by its positivity and the No campaign by its negativity.

I think it was

A bit of shite choice either way given the characters involved