Cameron: Britain Facing Greatest Terrorist Threat ...

[P. G. Tipps]

But not all terrorists are jihadists.

That is wholly beyond dispute, Flosshilde, and I'm not aware that anyone here has ever claimed that they are ...

However, one member appeared to claim ... though one can never be quite sure what he means from one post to the next ... that there is no evidence of any jihadist attacks in the UK. I reminded him of three which got worldwide coverage and jihadist influence was well-documented as being a clear factor in all three atrocities. Everyone can go online and study these in detail and find that out for themselves. The member then appeared to claim that these were not 'jihadists' but 'terrorists'. To most observers (and according to the perpetrators themselves) their jihadism was the direct inspiration for their terrorism. I have absolutely no reason to doubt this hitherto unchallenged information gleaned from different sources all over the world. The member himself appears to be the sole source of his own contrary information.

Hope that's now clear ...

[Serial_Apologist]

That is wholly beyond dispute, Flosshilde, and I'm not aware that anyone here has ever claimed that they are ...

However, one member appeared to claim ... though one can never be quite sure what he means from one post to the next ... that there is no evidence of any jihadist attacks in the UK. I reminded him of three which got worldwide coverage and jihadist influence was well-documented as being a clear factor in all three atrocities. Everyone can go online and study these in detail and find that out for themselves. The member then appeared to claim that these were not 'jihadists' but 'terrorists'. To most observers (and according to the perpetrators themselves) their jihadism was the direct inspiration for their terrorism. I have absolutely no reason to doubt this hitherto unchallenged information gleaned from different sources all over the world. The member himself appears to be the sole source of his own contrary information.

Hope that's now clear ...

Err - if I'm not mistaken, ams is distinguishing jihadists returning from recent engagements in Iraq or Syria from earlier jihad-inspired terrorists such as those of of 7/7 etc. Not sure why you're making a big issue of this.

[Flosshilde]

The member then appeared to claim that these were not 'jihadists' but 'terrorists'. To most observers (and according to the perpetrators themselves) their jihadism was the direct inspiration for their terrorism.

First you claimed that they were jihadists; now you claim they were 'inspired' by jihadists. No doubt you will eventually claim that they might have seen the word 'jihadist' - working on the principles of homoeopathy. Your educators would be proud of how you wriggle!

Hope that's now clear ...

:laugh:

[Flosshilde]

Not sure why you're making a big issue of this.

Because that's what he does - nit-picks & wriggles & moves the goal-posts.

[P. G. Tipps]

I'll try one last time but again heads and walls rather come to mind ...

a) The 7/7 bombers were/are jihadists or jihadist-inspired if you prefer (sorry to 'nit-pick'!)
b) The Glasgow Airport bombers were/are jihadists or jihadist-inspired if you prefer.
c) Those who murdered Lee Rigby were/are jihadists or jihadist-inspired if you prefer.
d) The murderers of the two American journalists are jihadists or jihadist-inspired if you prefer.

Apart from geographical locations can anyone tell me what the basic difference is between any of these cases and why they apparently consider the latter case to be somehow more 'jihadist' than the other three?

Just a sensible answer ... no more clearly diversionary sniping please!

[MrGongGong]

I think Scotty, (we know you are in there ;-) ) that you will find that spraying the term "jihadist" about really doesn't explain anything

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/beliefs/jihad_1.shtml

Onward Christian Soldiers ?

[P. G. Tipps]

I think Scotty, (we know you are in there ;-) ) that you will find that spraying the term "jihadist" about really doesn't explain anything

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/beliefs/jihad_1.shtml

Onward Christian Soldiers ?

This mysterious 'Scotty' apart, forum factualists will note that the term 'jihadist' was not introduced by myself here. Of course no label is ever perfect but as some of the terrorists use the term to describe themselves who am I (or you?) to contradict them?

And, remember, Flosshilde doesn't want any 'nit-picking' here ... and as ever the consistent and fair-minded chap, I'm confident he'll very soon be posting his disapproval of your own, Mr Gong Gong ... :-)

[Flosshilde]

the term 'jihadist' was not introduced by myself here.

Erm, atually it was, in this context -

No, is your first travel criteria essential before you consider a Jihadist/Extreme Islamic atrocity in the UK valid?

I can think of at least three such atrocities where at least two had a clear home-grown 'Islamic' element.

a) The 7/7 London bombings where many innocent souls perished
b) The largely foiled Glasgow Airport car-bombing.
c) The savage murder and attempted decapitation of soldier Lee Rigby on a London street.

Naturally, all these events made huge world headlines. Two of them happened not a great distance from where you claim to reside.

If you have somehow managed to forget all three there is always Google to refresh your memory and reflect how many innocent families in the UK have suffered loss of lfe and limb at the hands of these self-styled 'Jihadist/Islamic' savages.

[P. G. Tipps]

Erm, atually it was, in this context -

Stop posting utter nonsense ... anyone can check where and when the term was first introduced in any context in this thread.

I don't have an issue with the term and, much more significantly, neither do Jihadist terrorists themselves ... so what's your particular 'nit-picking' problem with it?

[Flosshilde]

Getting a bit rattled, Scotty?

[MrGongGong]

Jihadist terrorists

From strength to strength go on,
wrestle and fight and pray,
tread all the powers of darkness down
and win the well-fought day.


hummmm

[P. G. Tipps]

Getting a bit rattled, Scotty?

Well, it seems to have worked now you have swiftly and characteristically reverted to personal jibes rather than posting nonsense, Nigel.

The former is marginally preferable though we quite often experience both at the same time!

[amateur51]

Err - if I'm not mistaken, ams is distinguishing jihadists returning from recent engagements in Iraq or Syria from earlier jihad-inspired terrorists such as those of of 7/7 etc. Not sure why you're making a big issue of this.

Cheers S_A!

[P. G. Tipps]

Cheers S_A!

:-)

But you still haven't quite explained why you are distinguishing between home-grown jihadist terrorists, who are chopping people's heads off in Iraq and Syria, and who will very likely return home, and those who have already tried to do the same on a London street with equally murderous consequences.

Any indication/example of actual difference that you can helpfully share with us all ... ?

[amateur51]

:-)

But you still haven't quite explained why you are distinguishing between home-grown jihadist terrorists, who are chopping people's heads off in Iraq and Syria, and who will very likely return home, and those who have already tried to do the same on a London street with equally murderous consequences.

Any indication/example of actual difference that you can helpfully share with us all ... ?

No British person who has gone to a war zone in the name of jihad has returned to commit atrocities (the scenario that you & the Government are promoting)

The people you mentioned who have committed atrocities in UK have not done so in the name of jihad.

In making this distinction i was seeking to clarify your muddled position.