Government reshuffle

[teamsaint]

it isn't difficult to find medical doctors offering homeopathy or referring to homeopaths. Statistics are hard to find, and may not exist.

Try googling or asking your GP.I was offered homeopathy without asking for it.

It is a discredited fraud in your opinion, and many other people think this. But a sizeale minority of Doctors and patients are keen to use it, and may in fact have used their own judgements in arriving at their conclusions.personally I would happy to let them use their own judgement, rather than dictate.

[Serial_Apologist]

Things are changing. Homeopaths are allowed to marry now.

[P. G. Tipps]

Things are changing. Homeopaths are allowed to marry now.

It's an heteropathic outrage ... <winkeye>

[teamsaint]

Things are changing. Homeopaths are allowed to marry now.

:)

which brings us back to the re shuffle and Nicky Morgan, who doesn't think such things are right at all.....

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/15/equalities-minister-voted-against-gay-marriage-nicky-morgan

[MrGongGong]

It is a discredited fraud in your opinion, and many other people think this. But a sizeale minority of Doctors and patients are keen to use it, and may in fact have used their own judgements in arriving at their conclusions.personally I would happy to let them use their own judgement, rather than dictate.

They are more than happy to use their judgement
but I object to paying for it
even if its a small amount of money

Who gives a toss about statistics when you can tap the water on the table and say the magic words

What do you think about snake handling on the NHS ?

[teamsaint]

They are more than happy to use their judgement
but I object to paying for it
even if its a small amount of money

Who gives a toss about statistics when you can tap the water on the table and say the magic words

What do you think about snake handling on the NHS ?

I object to my tax being spent on all sorts of things both in the NHS and outside.
but 15/20% of people access homeopathy every year, and they pay tax too. Their opinions and tax contribution matters too.

don't know about snakes, other than the political ones.

[MrGongGong]

I object to my tax being spent on all sorts of things both in the NHS and outside.
but 15/20% of people access homeopathy every year, and they pay tax too. Their opinions and tax contribution matters too.

don't know about snakes, other than the political ones.

I think we ALL "access" It
All the time
powerful stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2WRcxXHDo

[agingjb]

I could be wrong, but although there are more women in or attending cabinet, there are not too many women brought in as new people to the lower levels of government..

[Ferretfancy]

If its OK with you, I'll mix gratitude for the good things in conventional medicine with a bit of scepticism about the way it is applied at times.
I am really not all that grateful for a number of deeply inappropriate , damaging, or potentially damaging interventions that I or people close to me have experienced.

I don't know where you get the " always expected to succeed " thing from . It wasn't in my posts.

Maybe we should stick to a discussion, rather than the kind of patronising stuff in your post.

My point about"always expected to succeed " is that it's common to blame allopathic medicine when it fails, as it sometimes must. I had no intention to patronise.

Incidentally, no homeopathic practitioners have ever been prepared to submit their procedures to a carefully controlled scientific test, and they have no system of peer review. Most researchers would be happy to take a solution of a homeopathic remedy, dilute it ten times, bang the bottle repeatedly ( Yes, this is a requirement ! ) Repeat the dilution ten times, percussing each stage, and then use it against a comparable sample of a conventional drug. It might be tricky to set up to ensure fairness, but it could be done. No homeopathist has accepted such a challenge.

[teamsaint]

My point about"always expected to succeed " is that it's common to blame allopathic medicine when it fails, as it sometimes must. I had no intention to patronise.

Incidentally, no homeopathic practitioners have ever been prepared to submit their procedures to a carefully controlled scientific test, and they have no system of peer review. Most researchers would be happy to take a solution of a homeopathic remedy, dilute it ten times, bang the bottle repeatedly ( Yes, this is a requirement ! ) Repeat the dilution ten times, percussing each stage, and then use it against a comparable sample of a conventional drug. It might be tricky to set up to ensure fairness, but it could be done. No homeopathist has accepted such a challenge.

Ok, fair enough.
I am still intrigued why so many highly trained medics, and there are a good number, are prepared to give this stuff credence.

is it just as a rather fancy placebo? pressure from a rather demanding public? an openness to unorthodox methods? cost effectiveness?(fancy placebo rather than expensive and ineffective drugs in some situations?) disillusionment with the power of big drugs companies?
and why do the public so strongly support homeopathy, when the advertising power of big medicine is so much greater than that of the homeopathy lobby? Is it in part a reaction to the monolithic and sometimes unresponsive (as some might see it) NHS?

[MrGongGong]

I am still intrigued why so many highly trained medics, and there are a good number, are prepared to give this stuff credence.

More "received wisdom" methinks
I'd certainly change doctors if mine suggested I waved magic crystals over my body to cure something real

[amateur51]

and why do the public so strongly support homeopathy, when the advertising power of big medicine is so much greater than that of the homeopathy lobby? Is it in part a reaction to the monolithic and sometimes unresponsive (as some might see it) NHS?

Equally likely perhaps it is a harking back to the Age of Deference ... "If it's good enough for Prince Charles and the Queen, it's good enough for me" (:slapforeheadthingy:)

[Dave2002]

... and why do the public so strongly support homeopathy, when the advertising power of big medicine is so much greater than that of the homeopathy lobby?

What evidence have you for that? I know that a few people support it, and probably a greater number support other forms of alternative "medicine", but I think you are trying to sneak an untruth past us here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007mf4f

[MrGongGong]

What evidence have you for that? I know that a few people support it, and probably a greater number support other forms of alternative "medicine", but I think you are trying to sneak an untruth past us here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007mf4f

2 anecdotes = evidence

[Serial_Apologist]

As I understand it, a placebo is a placebo when there is no demonstrable correlation between the constituents of a drug and its supposed curative powers. A drug containing supposedly curative properties is not, therefore, a placebo if it does its job, this being backed up by repeated trials which would be impossible to conduct in the former case, for obvious reasons.