Election period

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

They had closet racist new parties in Italy and Germany in the 1930s.

[MrGongGong]

And if your auntie had balls, she'd be your uncle.

You can't always have your own way MrGonGong - you need to get over it.

We have four-party politics in Britain now, back in the real world!

I don't want it "my way" at all
but don't pretend that because lots of people think something its automatically valuable
remember Bros , Steps and Milli Vanilli ?

[Beef Oven!]

They had closet racist new parties in Italy and Germany in the 1930s.

I understand that Mussolini had been active, and 'around' for at least 15 years prior to the 1930s and he and his party had been governing the country since around 1922, but what's this 'closet racist new party' that Italy had in the 1930s?

And Germany? Hitler's Nazi party was 'closet racist'?

And what's any of this got to do with the various discussions going on in this thread!!!!!!??

[amateur51]

I understand that Mussolini had been active, and 'around' for at least 15 years prior to the 1930s and he and his party had been governing the country since around 1922, but what's this 'closet racist new party' that Italy had in the 1930s?

And Germany? Hitler's Nazi party was 'closet racist'?

And what's any of this got to do with the various discussions going on in this thread!!!!!!??

Classic distraction.

In case anyone hasn't spotted it.

[Richard Barrett]

Getting over it:

as MrGG says, the Green party has one MP and no media coverage to speak of. UKIP on the other hand has no MPs and wall-to-wall coverage.

Their share of the vote in council elections will indeed have gone down, as we see here (BBC figures!):

This year’s local elections – projected national share of the vote
Labour: 31%
Conservatives: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dems: 13%

2013 local elections – projected national share of the vote
Labour 29%
Con 25%
UKIP 23%
Lib Dems 14%

In other words the UKIP "surge" actually happened last year. Labour's gains in local councillors are far greater than UKIP's (almost three times as many according to the last figures I saw: 300 against 128), despite Labour's half-@rsed campaign.

[MrGongGong]

Getting over it:

as MrGG says, the Green party has one MP and no media coverage to speak of. UKIP on the other hand has no MPs and wall-to-wall coverage.

Their share of the vote in council elections will indeed have gone down, as we see here (BBC figures!):

This year’s local elections – projected national share of the vote
Labour: 31%
Conservatives: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dems: 13%

2013 local elections – projected national share of the vote
Labour 29%
Con 25%
UKIP 23%
Lib Dems 14%

In other words the UKIP "surge" actually happened last year. Labour's gains in local councillors are far greater than UKIP's (almost three times as many according to the last figures I saw: 300 against 128), despite Labour's half-@rsed campaign.

Come off it Richard
Stay "on message"

Serialism was a dead end
no-one likes contemporary music
Ukip are a new force in British politics

(other delusions are also available !....... of the Fury ?)

[Beef Oven!]

I don't want it "my way" at all
but don't pretend that because lots of people think something its automatically valuable
remember Bros , Steps and Milli Vanilli ?

Of course I remember those 'artists', I don't think they were very good, bring back Beefheart, is what I was thinking . But so what? .

[Beef Oven!]

Getting over it:

as MrGG says, the Green party has one MP and no media coverage to speak of. UKIP on the other hand has no MPs and wall-to-wall coverage.

Their share of the vote in council elections will indeed have gone down, as we see here (BBC figures!):

This year’s local elections – projected national share of the vote
Labour: 31%
Conservatives: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dems: 13%

2013 local elections – projected national share of the vote
Labour 29%
Con 25%
UKIP 23%
Lib Dems 14%

In other words the UKIP "surge" actually happened last year. Labour's gains in local councillors are far greater than UKIP's (almost three times as many according to the last figures I saw: 300 against 128), despite Labour's half-@rsed campaign.

So why is everyone clucking so?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

And Germany? Hitler's Nazi party was 'closet racist'?

It was to begin with...

[Beef Oven!]

It was to begin with...

Which isn't what you said.

Your post was a distraction anyway, and I asked you about the relevance to the discussions in this thread (ignoring the nonsense about Italy).

[Richard Barrett]

So why is everyone clucking so?

You tell me.

Here are some more figures, for actual council seats in 2014.

Labour 1891 (up 292)
Conservatives 1259 (down 201)
LibDems 404 (down 284)
UKIP 157 (up 155)
Greens 35 (up 17)

[Beef Oven!]

You tell me.

Here are some more figures, for actual council seats in 2014.

Labour 1891 (up 292)
Conservatives 1259 (down 201)
LibDems 404 (down 284)
UKIP 157 (up 155)
Greens 35 (up 17)

But with your scientist hat on, the dynamic of those numbers will not be lost on you.

[MrGongGong]

So I wonder why (when FF has explained in great detail how what they did was better than what they promised !) people don't vote for the Lib Dems ?
It's a mystery to me .......:laugh:

[ahinton]

We have four-party politics in Britain now, back in the real world!

We don't yet, actually; we'll have to wait until after the next General Election for that to arise or not. If we do have four-party politics, however, the possibility of any one party being able to form a majority government on its own will likely be further diminished and the possibility that even two might struggle in coalition more than the present coalition struggles cannot realistically be ignored.

The LibDems seem to be on a worse downward path than any of the others right now, but it's also important to bear in mind that local government elections that don't even cover the entire country (there were none in the constituency where I live, for example) do not provide a reliable indicator of the number of MPs in any party that might get elected at the next General Election.

The very notion of UKIP MEPs is surely one of the dafter oxymoronic ones in the current European Parliamentary arrangements; UKIP wants Britain out of EU - no referenda, no arguments - so why seek repesentation in EU?

[Beef Oven!]

So I wonder why (when FF has explained in great detail how what they did was better than what they promised !) people don't vote for the Lib Dems ?
It's a mystery to me .......:laugh:

No mystery. The electorate (which is clearly stupid and racist because it won't vote the way we want it to) simply didn't understand what a great deal the university fees proposals was.

The electorate did not have the benefit of that remarkably erudite 'myths-debunker' pamphlet that ff shared with us, and it hadn't realised that the life expectancy in the UK is now 406 (411 for women) and to be in debt from the ages of 21-51 was a mere blink of the eye, not a lifetime.

You don't have to pay £9,000 per term. You can enrol for a B.A. in Media Studies for £8,500 per term at the University of Peckham.

The electorate just didn't grasp it and Clegg was totally above-board and honest about it all.






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