Irish State Visit - A voice of dissent

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  • Stillhomewardbound
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    • Nov 2010
    • 1109

    Irish State Visit - A voice of dissent

    I saw the following comment this evening and felt it was essential I reply:

    "I feel gutted that the Queen met McGuiness (sic). tThe Queen suffered lost in the troubles. We are similar small [from] islands ,we are similar peoples, we share similar threats."

    My reply:

    A couple of points.

    HMQ has Martin McGuinness, Deputy First Leader of NI, previously, so why should he have not met him again as a minister for state of Northern Ireland?

    Secondly, I can only refer you to today's historic speeches for an answer on why we are now shaking hands where as once we shook only our fists.

    So, the remark that 'we share similar threats', it seems to me, strikes a mean note at this time. It also speaks to a habit of looking back when now is the time for looking forward.

    Both sides of the conflict have their stories to tell, their wounds to lick; I don't doubt it, but we look now on a conflict that is finally over, and convincingly so, as we can see in the peace that has for the better part endured, and surely the clearest sign of this visit's mutuality has to be the visit of the Irish President and his wife to the memorial to Louis Mountbatten.

    My father had the opportunity to speak to the Prince of Wales in person and express the shame that the vast majority of Irish people felt for that gruesome day in Sligo. Charles was deeply touched but he spoke instead of how a well of bitterness he had once known had long since been replenished by the waters of friendship that flow constantly between these two islands.

    Long may that current of compatibility run strong and clear.
  • amateur51

    #2
    I'm no fan of the monarchy but I do feel that HMQ has done UK and ireland proud in the way that she has acted in this gradual process of reconciliation.

    Hats off to her and to President Higgins too, and his noble predecessors.

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    • Padraig
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      • Feb 2013
      • 4239

      #3
      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
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      Hats off to her and to President Higgins too, and his noble predecessors.
      I doff mine too.

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      • ahinton
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 16123

        #4
        Originally posted by Padraig View Post
        I doff mine too.
        Indeed; I think that there can be no realistic and credible argument with this and it shows that, even at her relaively advanced age, HM the Queen still has it in her to do things that need to be done that others might find it hard to do or shy away from doing on some pretext or other. A number of committed Republicans whom I know agree with this wholeheartedly.

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37707

          #5
          Originally posted by ahinton View Post
          Indeed; I think that there can be no realistic and credible argument with this and it shows that, even at her relaively advanced age, HM the Queen still has it in her to do things that need to be done that others might find it hard to do or shy away from doing on some pretext or other. A number of committed Republicans whom I know agree with this wholeheartedly.
          Yes but She wouldn't have done it off her own bat now, would She?!

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          • ahinton
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 16123

            #6
            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            Yes but She wouldn't have done it off her own bat now, would She?!
            I have no idea; can you be sure of that?
            Last edited by ahinton; 10-04-14, 06:38.

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            • amateur51

              #7
              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
              I have no idea; can you be sure of that?
              I don't think it matters. She, the role she inherited and takes forwards, is a lifelong commitment that she has carried out and amazingly is still carrying out. In this instance she is helping to heal a tragic wound in the relationship between neighbours, between two nations whose histories are inextricably bound together. Someone has to take each step towards reconciliation which does not, I'd remind us, involve any measure of forgetting what has happened between us. The Queen, as non-party political Head of State of UK is perfectly placed to undertake this as is President Higgins in his role.

              The fact that it has been done carefully, with warmth and dignity, is a tribute to both individuals, and what they bring to their respective roles, and for that I thank them.

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              • ahinton
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 16123

                #8
                Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                I don't think it matters. She, the role she inherited and takes forwards, is a lifelong commitment that she has carried out and amazingly is still carrying out. In this instance she is helping to heal a tragic wound in the relationship between neighbours, between two nations whose histories are inextricably bound together. Someone has to take each step towards reconciliation which does not, I'd remind us, involve any measure of forgetting what has happened between us. The Queen, as non-party political Head of State of UK is perfectly placed to undertake this as is President Higgins in his role.

                The fact that it has been done carefully, with warmth and dignity, is a tribute to both individuals, and what they bring to their respective roles, and for that I thank them.
                As I imagine do many. The Queen could in theory retire if so she chose (by abdicating) but does not appear to believe that she has any such choice in practice; she may be scaling down her schedule somewhat of late, but the fact that she's still doing this kind of thing nevertheless identifies that she has her hand on the tiller and intends to keep it there for as long as possible.

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                • amateur51

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                  As I imagine do many. The Queen could in theory retire if so she chose (by abdicating) but does not appear to believe that she has any such choice in practice; she may be scaling down her schedule somewhat of late, but the fact that she's still doing this kind of thing nevertheless identifies that she has her hand on the tiller and intends to keep it there for as long as possible.
                  Well I suspect she takes a glance at The Apprentice from time to time and despairs

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37707

                    #10
                    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                    Well I suspect she takes a glance at The Apprentice from time to time and despairs
                    Does she not take sugar? <winkeye>

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                    • amateur51

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      Does she not take sugar? <winkeye>
                      I was referring to the Hairy Parent eggjelly ;D

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