Clegg V Farage

[Roehre]

Referendums are the refuge of dictators - Hitler loved a good plebiscite as does Putin.

Switzerland is an excellent example of a dictatorially governed country, I suppose.

[Flosshilde]

Waiting in the Politics & Current Affairs section.

Where this thread is presumably going to be shifted? I mean, the last time I looked Clegg & Farage were involved in politics, in a marginal sort of way.

[french frank]

Where this thread is presumably going to be shifted? I mean, the last time I looked Clegg & Farage were involved in politics, in a marginal sort of way.

I was giving it a chance to turn into a serious discussion which might be of some general interest. So far, no luck.

[Barbirollians]

Switzerland is an excellent example of a dictatorially governed country, I suppose.

Considering some of the racist results of referendums there I might well agree.

[Flay]

Again ?

There was one
some people didn't seem to read what the question was
but don't blame me I was at school at the time

That vote was different. It was for joining a European Economic Community.

Not a European government.

[Serial_Apologist]

Waiting in the Politics & Current Affairs section.

I sense Beef Oven had a Pauline conversion over the own goalposts a few days ago, and a butterfly was about to emerge from a crystalis.

[Barbirollians]

That vote was different. It was for joining a European Economic Community.

Not a European government.

There is no European Government - there are treaties signed by the UK which the European Commission works from . The EU debate is really centred around one thing. Conservative Govts sign EU treaties without understanding what they mean - and the Conservative Party and UKIP see the EU as a brake on them being able to treat workers, the poor and others like dirt .

[Honoured Guest]

There is no European Government - there are treaties signed by the UK which the European Commission works from . The EU debate is really centred around one thing. Conservative Govts sign EU treaties without understanding what they mean - and the Conservative Party and UKIP see the EU as a brake on them being able to treat workers, the poor and others like dirt .

So, are you happy or unhappy that the last Conservative UK Government ended in May 1997, nearly seventeen years ago?

[Nick Armstrong]

Clegg and Nige, or Gongers and me?:biggrin:

:laugh:

[teamsaint]

there might not be a european government yet. There is however a direction of travel. We have a world vastly different from 40 years ago when the vote happened. The EU is a completely different animal from the one that people voted for in the early 70's. And the European Central bank has powers (that affect both the eurozone and outside it) that need a very high level of accountability.

there is every reason to have more democratic involvement , not less.That might reasonably include a referendum.

[MrGongGong]

That vote was different. It was for joining a European Economic Community.

Not a European government.

:laugh:

So I guess the people who don't understand what the word "COMMUNITY" means are the ones moaning about it now then ?

The key word methinks....

"Community" doesn't mean, I might go to your shop if you come to mine
it implies that people work together, you know COLLABORATE on things that are mutually beneficial.
Which is why those who are obsessed with competition as the way of doing things hate it so much.
After all, the WHOLE purpose of life is to "get one over" your "opponent" and be a "winner" :laugh::laugh::laugh:


The best description of this i've read is

The evil of two lessers

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

'I was thinking,' Alice
said very politely,
'which is the best way
out of this wood: it's
getting so dark. Would
you tell me, please?'
But the little men
only looked at each
other and grinned.

They looked so
exactly like a couple of
great schoolboys, that
Alice couldn't help
pointing her finger at
Tweedledum, and
saying 'First Boy!'

~ Through the Looking Glass.

[Alison]

there might not be a european government yet. There is however a direction of travel. We have a world vastly different from 40 years ago when the vote happened. The EU is a completely different animal from the one that people voted for in the early 70's. And the European Central bank has powers (that affect both the eurozone and outside it) that need a very high level of accountability.

there is every reason to have more democratic involvement , not less.That might reasonably include a referendum.

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[ahinton]

I sense Beef Oven had a Pauline conversion over the own goalposts a few days ago, and a butterfly was about to emerge from a crystalis.

...whereas I sense that the likelihood that the outcome of the next UK General Election will be a coalition between the DebLims and the New Reduced* United Kingdom Incidental Party is probably even smaller now than it was before this unseemly in-out-in-out-shake-it-all-about performance which brought to mind the thought that things were far better in the days of Morecambe and Wise...

* i.e. post-Scottish independence therefrom

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

* UKIP....aka "You Know I'm Pissed"