Not like the rest at all ?

[MrGongGong]

2) Why on Earth would we need to set the fees high in Europe? We never did before.

"We" don't set fees
Back to the past again
Hows the dilithium crystal business ?

You can talk

I can
but unlike your chums I use my mouth not the other end

[Beef Oven!]

I use my mouth not the other end

At least you realise that it needed to be explained.

[MrGongGong]

On a number of (most?) points they appear to adopt the worst of everything, balanced by very little of the best.

Like R'n'B then ?
All the worst bits of black music rolled together

Gospel without belief
Hip Hop without edge
Soul without
Funk without Clinton

[Beef Oven!]

Like R'n'B then ?
All the worst bits of black music rolled together

Gospel without belief
Hip Hop without edge
Soul without
Funk without Clinton

That's quite enough of that. I think you should go to bed now.

[Richard Barrett]

Today's UKIP news:

"Nigel Farage has joined forces in the European parliament with a Swedish party that was founded by white supremacists, including a former member of the Waffen SS. In an apparent change of tack, after he pledged to avoid parties on the far right, the Ukip leader also invited a French MEP who was elected for Marine Le Pen's Front National last month to join his pan-European group in the parliament."

As for visa applications of course I can do them, probably not as well as someone with your obviously superior administrative skills (do you really keep your CV constantly updated? I don't), but they are a time-wasting inconvenience, and they can be expensive too.

[Beef Oven!]

As for visa applications of course I can do them, probably not as well as someone with your obviously superior administrative skills (do you really keep your CV constantly updated? I don't), but they are a time-wasting inconvenience, and they can be expensive too.

I don't keep my CV constantly updated, but I never leave it too long, so updating it is a five-minute job. Visa applications can be time consuming, to a degree - but what isn't? They are not a waste of time, because they have to be done. 'Expensive ' is a relative concept. I'm glad that you have changed your mind about me 'not knowing what I'm talking about'.

[MrGongGong]

This all gets a bit "head of a pin" (and i'm putting my hand up in a Kings College stylee)
BUT does illustrate that some people really do think that more administration and more rules are a useful and necessary thing when we could be spending the money on music!
I know in the grand scheme of economics no one gives a toss about music but for many of the groups and ensembles folks in here are passionate about the difference between being able to hear live music and not can be a matter of relatively small amounts of £. But I guess what Kipperkid is more bigger concerns which can cope with the "realities of business".
Confusing success with expansion is often a mistake, this book explains it rather well IMV

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gertie-Gus-Lisl-Weil/dp/0819309117

[teamsaint]

Big government demands big taxes, and this leaves less disposable income.

In terms of things like music and arts, this would be OK more if that money was use to support those areas.
Unfortunately what we have at present is big government which pretends to support laissez faire economics, but in fact tends to support the interests of big business and the banks. (Check out the activities of the ECB , and QE in the UK for evidence.)
In fact we have the worst of both worlds.

I would presume that UKIP would tend to allow arts to be supported by individuals via lower taxes.

[jean]

I would presume that UKIP would tend to allow arts to be supported by individuals via lower taxes.

Is that really the way to a healthy and comprehensive musical culture?

[MrGongGong]

Is that really the way to a healthy and comprehensive musical culture?

There's an easy answer to that


NO

[teamsaint]

Is that really the way to a healthy and comprehensive musical culture?

I was just speculating about UKIP.

I wasn't advocating it. However, individuals having more resource to spend on the arts that they enjoy must surely be a positive part of the mix.

[jean]

Unless the withdrawal of public subsidy at source means there isn't that much left to enjoy.

[teamsaint]

Unless the withdrawal of public subsidy at source means there isn't that much left to enjoy.

Did I suggest that withdrawing public subsidy of the arts was a good thing?

[jean]

It is a likely result of the retreat from what you call 'big taxes'.

[Flosshilde]

Is that really the way to a healthy and comprehensive musical culture?

Or health provision

or education

or transport

or housing

or anything really.