Not like the rest at all ?

[Beef Oven!]

Don't you think that the latter might help with the former, and help change



?

Go to bed.

[MrGongGong]

I like travelling all over Europe and working, if there's a job for me, should I want to work. When did this crap that it's only been possible with the EU, come about?

Stop deliberately misleading people. Or lying, whatever.

Erm you really DO think Warp Drive is possible
guess what you can't go back in time
Some of the places i've worked I have needed to go through a complex visa process that takes ages and is very expensive

The Kipper version of Europe gets rid of the freedom to travel and work without having a complex, expensive and tedious process but I guess that's ok for the kinds of businesses that they are interested in :-(

[Beef Oven!]

Erm you really DO think Warp Drive is possible
guess what you can't go back in time
Some of the places i've worked I have needed to go through a complex visa process that takes ages and is very expensive

The Kipper version of Europe gets rid of the freedom to travel and work without having a complex, expensive and tedious process but I guess that's ok for the kinds of businesses that they are interested in :-(

Complex? FFS, pack it in.

Laparoscopic GI surgery is complex. Applying for a visa - simple. Bad GongGong.

Takes ages? Very Expensive? What planet do you live on?

Emperor's new clothes.

[MrGongGong]

Complex? FFS, pack it in.

Laparoscopic GI surgery is complex. Applying for a visa - simple. Bad GongGong.

Takes ages? Very Expensive? What planet do you live on?

Emperor's new clothes.

Actually i've had both
the visa was a lot more drawn out and expensive

Have you ever tried to get a work permit to do a gig in America ?

[teamsaint]

Actually i've had both
the visa was a lot more drawn out and expensive

Have you ever tried to get a work permit to do a gig in America ?

Turkey visa £20, assuming Beefy is correct.
Double hernia surgery because the NHS couldnt be *****ed to perform one on my potentially life threatening condition any time soon,after seeing me in a consulting room WITH ANOTHER PATIENT IN THE SAME ROOM, priceless.
Or £3 k in fact.

[Beef Oven!]

Actually i've had both
the visa was a lot more drawn out and expensive

Have you ever tried to get a work permit to do a gig in America ?

It took many years for that surgeon to reach the stage where he could perform procedures like that. And I can assure you that, that surgery cost more than your visa application.

I have never tried to get a working visa to do a gig in the USA, but my brother has, and he's done loads of gigs there. What's the big deal?

And my mate, who's a chippy (carpenter to you), seems to always be working in the USA. What's the big deal?

The UKIP manifesto is silent on the matter of withdrawing from the USA, anyway, so what are you banging on about?

[jean]

Applying for a visa - simple.

Actually getting it, another matter.

An Italian friend was refused a USA work visa. She worked illegally on a tourist visa, which she'd rather not have done.

She certainly isn't alone.

[Beef Oven!]

Actually getting it, another matter.

An Italian friend was refused a USA work visa. She worked illegally on a tourist visa, which she'd rather not have done.

She certainly isn't alone.

I'm not sure where you're coming from. Do you mean that everybody who wants to work in the USA should automatically be allowed to, and the visa should be just a bit of routine administration? And is it that if Europeans are refused US visas, they just go ahead and break the law, albeit not their preferred option?

[MrGongGong]

So to summarise a little

The Kippers ARE just like the other political parties
and in their bright new Europe
we will have

Tight border controls to stop people coming in and out
and at the same time
WE will be able to go anywhere we like (as long as we slip a packet of fags to the border guard) and work without any restrictions.

Can't see any problem with that at all ........

(when I did some work in New York for a dodgy beat combo getting permissions for us all took 6 months and cost in the region of £1000 in fees and administration, lets bring that in for France , why not, "what's the big deal"?)

[jean]

I'm not sure where you're coming from. Do you mean that everybody who wants to work in the USA should automatically be allowed to, and the visa should be just a bit of routine administration?

Well, you appear to think that's the case at the moment.

I'm just pointing out that it's not.

[french frank]

So to summarise a little

The Kippers ARE just like the other political parties

Strictly speaking, you should be pointing out that they ARE like other parties in some respects, but are quite different in other respects. On a number of (most?) points they appear to adopt the worst of everything, balanced by very little of the best.

[Beef Oven!]

Well, you appear to think that's the case at the moment.

I'm just pointing out that it's not.

I do not.

MrGG tells us that applying for a visa is 'complex', time consuming and expensive. I say it is a routine, uncomplicated process.

Your disagreement with me, and agreement with MrGG, it appears to be predicated on whether one is granted a visa or not, according to what you have said. The outcome has little to do with the matter in discussion.

[Beef Oven!]

Strictly speaking, you should be pointing out that they ARE like other parties in some respects, but are quite different in other respects. On a number of (most?) points they appear to adopt the worst of everything, balanced by very little of the best.

What do you, as a lefty, think the 'kippers' (the term, helpful or otherwise, seems to have stuck with you guys) think constitutes 'very little of the best' of the 'kipper' party?

[Beef Oven!]

So to summarise a little

The Kippers ARE just like the other political parties
and in their bright new Europe
we will have

Tight border controls to stop people coming in and out
and at the same time
WE will be able to go anywhere we like (as long as we slip a packet of fags to the border guard) and work without any restrictions.

Can't see any problem with that at all ........

(when I did some work in New York for a dodgy beat combo getting permissions for us all took 6 months and cost in the region of £1000 in fees and administration, lets bring that in for France , why not, "what's the big deal"?)

If you are going to undertake projects like that, you need to use someone who knows what they are doing, it's beyond the realms of lefty amateurs. £1,000 fees? Hmmm.

edit: The fee for a temporary work permit is £112. Seems like good value for a work permit. The process is straight-forward and shouldn't take long. You've said that you've had problems before in Europe, and I've said before, that if you don't know how to run a business, pm me, maybe I can help ;-)

[french frank]

What do you, as a lefty, think the 'kippers' (the term, helpful or otherwise, seems to have stuck with you guys) think constitutes 'very little of the best' of the 'kipper' party?

I don't like to be dogmatic and rule out possibilities completely; but I have to confess I can't think of anything just at the moment. I will see if there is something which might do.