Not like the rest at all ?

[ahinton]

An abuse of democracy that is related in some way to Adolf Hitler, the Nazis, Third Reich, Second World War and the Holocaust?

Are we to take you seriously, on this matter?

The expression used by Richard Barrett was "not completely unrelated to", not "identical to". In the meantime, while you ponder that, please ask yourself what's so "democratic" about the desire to pull UK out of EU without first holding a referendum, restricting immigration to levels that suggest thinly disguised racism and whatever colour of homophobia or attitudes towards rape that happen best to suit the PR mechanism of this, that or the other kipper - and then consider the shher paucity of decalred policies on other important issues that UKIP has so far presented to the electorate compared to other parties (OK, I know that manifestos, like rules, are made to be broken, but at least we have more detailed knowledge of where the other parties claim to come from)...

[MrGongGong]

The UKIP, as the MrGG implies with his OP question, are not like the rest at all!!!! - vive la différence!!!!!
The earthquake continues.

I certainly DON'T imply that at all
THEY are EXACTLY like the rest
in spite of the "ooooo look how different we are" shite that they spout

If that's what you think "difference" means you really need to get out more !

What is objectionable is the way that the media embraces Farage and his merry band of bigots and ignores the Green party.... but I guess it's all part of the "story" and people like stories don't they !

If Robbie Williams (look him up if you don't know who he is ! ) stood for parliament he would get elected.

[french frank]

I don't understand why having 'large numbers of overseas workers on a ward - at all levels', is something to be impressed by, per se. I hope it's not because they were competent and diligent, and that exceeded your expectation, or that you thought that the NHS only gave higher-level jobs to home-born professionals.

I wondered how the word 'impressed' would be interpreted. I meant it in the non-subjective sense of 'to make an impact'.

OED: fig. To imprint (an idea, etc.) on (†in, to) the mind; to cause to take firm mental hold...

It was, per se, noticeable (because in many other areas of national life this was a difference).

Such glosses as 'exceeding expectation in terms of their diligence and efficiency' might be a great surprise to people who want to keep immigrants out; not to those who are happy with their presence because they need no persuasion of the valuable contribution that overseas workers make.

[Richard Barrett]

Are we to take you seriously, on this matter?

You yourself don't seem to have taken seriously any of the points I've made in my last few posts on this thread, so I wouldn't expect it from you. I think it's something to take very seriously. Germans in 1933 didn't vote for the Second World War and the Holocaust; they voted for a party which offered simplistic pseudo-solutions to the mess that the Weimar Republic had landed in, which presented itself as "different" in being in touch with ordinary people (even though it had a lot of extremely rich supporters), and which constantly played the patriotic card.

[Beef Oven!]

You yourself don't seem to have taken seriously any of the points I've made in my last few posts on this thread, so I wouldn't expect it from you. I think it's something to take very seriously. Germans in 1933 didn't vote for the Second World War and the Holocaust; they voted for a party which offered simplistic pseudo-solutions to the mess that the Weimar Republic had landed in, which presented itself as "different" in being in touch with ordinary people (even though it had a lot of extremely rich supporters), and which constantly played the patriotic card.

You think Farage has a final solution, for something or other, possibly involving genocide, that is so secret no-one knows about it yet? Because Hitler did those evil things eighty-odd years ago? Farage must be up to the same thing?

On the one hand we have the UKIP scare-mongering about 'all the foreigners who are taking our jobs and food', and the people opposing them are scaring the shit out of us telling us the Nazis are coming and are going to be murdering everyone. What are calm, reasonable people, stuck in the middle, supposed to make of it all?

[Beef Oven!]

I wondered how the word 'impressed' would be interpreted. I meant it in the non-subjective sense of 'to make an impact'.

OED: fig. To imprint (an idea, etc.) on (†in, to) the mind; to cause to take firm mental hold...

It was, per se, noticeable (because in many other areas of national life this was a difference).

Such glosses as 'exceeding expectation in terms of their diligence and efficiency' might be a great surprise to people who want to keep immigrants out; not to those who are happy with their presence because they need no persuasion of the valuable contribution that overseas workers make.

So you were surprised (read, it made an impact) because the ward's workforce did not resemble the demographic that you are accustomed to? Is that what you mean? Is that why you said you were 'impressed at the large numbers of overseas staff? I'm still not sure what you meant.

Btw, many people who some might think are 'overseas' are actually born and bred British people - I'm sure that the staff on the NHS wards ward don't go around wearing ID badges that confirm that they weren't born in the UK.

[Beef Oven!]

I certainly DON'T imply that at all
THEY are EXACTLY like the rest
in spite of the "ooooo look how different we are" shite that they spout

If that's what you think "difference" means you really need to get out more !

What is objectionable is the way that the media embraces Farage and his merry band of bigots and ignores the Green party.... but I guess it's all part of the "story" and people like stories don't they !

If Robbie Williams (look him up if you don't know who he is ! ) stood for parliament he would get elected.

So, it's the newspapers that you are miffed with, not Nigel? For ignoring the Green Party?

[MrGongGong]

Btw, many people who some might think are 'overseas' are actually born and bred British people - I'm sure that the staff on the NHS wards ward don't go around wearing ID badges that confirm that they weren't born in the UK.

You mean like Lenny Henry ?
tell that to you mates

What are calm, reasonable people, stuck in the middle, supposed to make of it all?

I doubt you would find many of them in the Kipper Klan

[MrGongGong]

So, it's the newspapers that you are miffed with, not Nigel? For ignoring the Green Party?

"Nigel" = self publicising twat
a liar like the rest
pretends to engage in "debate" but ignores the things that don't fit his delusion

regardless of how many idiots fall for his nonsense he is still dishonest and not the kind of character one would want to represent anything

The inability to recognise the fourth wall makes me think that Media Studies should be compulsory
Like I said
People would vote for Bagpuss if they though he was a character that would provide a bit of entertainment.....

[Beef Oven!]

You mean like Lenny Henry ?
tell that to you mates



I doubt you would find many of them in the Kipper Klan

What I mean is that just because someone looks darker than us white folk, or doesn't have a stereotypical English accent, doesn't mean that they are from 'overseas'.

The term 'overseas' can be unhelpful anyway, and isn't it a typically British thing, to use it? Especially by those 'little-Englander' types. Wouldn't make a lot of sense to your common or garden Swiss bloke, now would it?

[Beef Oven!]

People would vote for Bagpuss if they though he was a character that would provide a bit of entertainment.....

Not true - Foot was an electoral disaster.

[MrGongGong]

Not true - Foot was an electoral disaster.

False dichotomy again I see
Come on
IF you lot were "different" there would be MORE imagination !

and anyway
what the F has "truth" got to do with it ?

75% of our laws AREN'T made in Brussels but the kippers still keep saying they are !

all lies (try Listen Again "More or less" for the statistics)

[french frank]

So you were surprised (read, it made an impact) because the ward's workforce did not resemble the demographic that you are accustomed to? Is that what you mean? Is that why you said you were 'impressed at the large numbers of overseas staff? I'm still not sure what you meant.

'Fraid I can't help you if you are determind 'not to understand'. No, I wasn't surprised. I was 'struck' by the number of overseas workers as I had not been in hospital since I had been carried to the BRI unconscious in 2000 (February 28th, c 10.00am) and was only in overnight so had no clear impression [sic] about the staff.

Btw, many people who some might think are 'overseas' are actually born and bred British people - I'm sure that the staff on the NHS wards ward don't go around wearing ID badges that confirm that they weren't born in the UK.

Absolutely true, but patients are allowed to converse with ward staff.

[Beef Oven!]

'Fraid I can't help you if you are determind 'not to understand'. No, I wasn't surprised. I was 'struck' by the number of overseas workers as I had not been in hospital since I had been carried to the BRI unconscious in 2000 (February 28th, c 10.00am) and was only in overnight so had no clear impression [sic] about the staff.

Absolutely true, but patients are allowed to converse with ward staff.

Well done on finding out so much in such difficult circumstances.

Enough of all that - the most important thing is that you got the care that you needed, delivered by competent, well-trained caring staff.

Of course there is the ethical question concerning the practice of large recruitment drives, by UK NHS trusts, into countries like India and the Philipines, who can ill-afford the loss of so many talented, able health professionals.

[Beef Oven!]

False dichotomy again I see
Come on
IF you lot were "different"............

"you lot"???

I'm not a UKIP MEP!!!!