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  • eighthobstruction
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 6444

    Fencing of Woods

    I am writing to inform you that I consider one of your woodland projects to be highly inappropriate and ill considered. I strongly protest about this project in the most strong terms. I would like this letter to be considered by someone of higher authority than Alistair Nash the leader of this project. The project is the fencing of large areas of Lyndhurst Woods , Glusburn BD20. The work is being done right now , and action needs to be taken now. I and many others believe the project to be a waste of money and resources. A site meeting should be held to involve other voices in these decisions.
    I have stood at the entrance to the woods for 3 hours and spoken to 50-60 people who use the woods ; a large volume of people use these woods, and all of them could see no reason that such a blight on the landscape should stand. Words and phrases which were regularly used were - totally inappropriate - ridiculous- absolutely appalling- terrible eyesore- stupid- mad-hideous- naive. One or two have seen a grain of hope in the project but even they said the fence was an ugly appendage, that it was a hammer to crack a nut, which would probably very quickly get torn down and abused; such is the volume of people who legitimately used the woods as a recreation resource.
    I know that the land is the Woodland Trusts and needs no planning permission BUT it would have been civil and courteous to have contacted and had consultation with the local community. As far as I am aware no approach was made to the community at large. The woods are a very thin pencil of land, not acres and acres where a fence can be ignored, all views and aesthetics will be totally spoiled and lost. The wild garlic etc grow in abundance and there are many places where flowers can grow unhindered. The fence is TOO imposing for the size and nature of the area. The aesthetic and structure of the woods is likely to be totally lost, and the straight lines of the fence the dominating structure; ugly and hideous. The fence ruins the view of the landscape. The project manager has applied no imagination as to the make up and look of the fence, and many ways no intuitive reasoning ref the practicalities of the fence and environment. Already with the winters rain and high water table the pathway will be a slippery dangerous quagmire by Monday (with the beck 3 feet away) if it rains.
    The fence in general appears to be intended to enclose 50-75% of the woods and make the locals walk on very limited routes around the edge. The reason : to allow flowers etc to grow. Lyndhurst Woods is not and never has been a 'blue bell' wood....it is a Wild Garlic and Clementine wood. The limited pathways ; channelling everyone on narrow stretches of ground, will without doubt create the most dreadful quagmires - dangerous in some cases. The river sometimes violently floods exactly where the fence is being put.
    Within reason intelligently and creatively placed fencing could have enhance the woods . A landscaper could have enclosed areas that might have added to the landscape. Instead we have an ad hoc fence in straight lines enclosing far too much of areas which already florish with flowers in the Spring and do not need enclosing. It is a cattle fence - applied without imagination which can only be a blot on the beautiful natural landscape . Far too much of the wood is being enclosed....far too much of the natural beauty of the woods is being taken away and the local community is treated like cattle.
    People (as many as 200-300-500 minimum a day) go into that wood for some freedom and natural things, to get away from straight lines and conformity to see natural shapes....they go there for many reasons....they all love it the way it is, even with its limitations. This project will not work in practise. You are wasting your money. You are spoiling our woods.
    I have rung 3 times over 2 days and been told someone will get in touch....they have not. This of course is a fait accompli; because the project just goes on unhindered....and chance of a site meeting to discuss it , or a postponement becomes remote or non existent. Someone in authority should look into this very quickly.
    I assure you I am not a lone voice....everyone is essentially against the actions being taken in Glusburn Woods. The project probably has 2 weeks to run - the fencing has only just started. Yes lets have flowers but do not steal our recreation and spoil our views and enjoyment of these woods.
    bong ching
  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 37707

    #2
    Well said! Good luck with this, eighth.

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    • Richard Tarleton

      #3
      Excellent letter. A site meeting would be the professional standard in matters of this sort (I speak from years of experience, both happy and bitter) backed up by on-site explanatory notices, an offer of a guided walk to explain what is being done and why, a visit to the parish council to explain....I take it the fencing is of the sheep or pig netting variety, rather than actual chain link? Exclosures for restocking (of trees) can be discreet, landscaped, straight lines are to be avoided - from your description, 8th, it sounds as if everything that could have been done wrong in this case has been.

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37707

        #4
        In nearby Dulwich Woods the Woodland Trust has used chestnut picket fencing to quarantine an irregularly-shaped area for regeneration. Unfortunately the URL is too long for me to reproduce the link here, but the resulting appearance is unobtrusive.

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        • eighthobstruction
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 6444

          #5
          Problem is that what is needed is for people pick up the phone or email....out of 100 people I talked to I expect 2 will phone....people are so reticent [if that is the word] and accepting of rough deals ....
          bong ching

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          • eighthobstruction
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 6444

            #6
            Just been trying to ring up parish councillors....2 were dead (Council website has not been up dated since 2009)....one was in his 80's and very deaf, he had been at the meeting but couldn't remember anything about it....2 more were not at the meeting (one was very anti-dog....)....Pwwsh!!
            bong ching

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37707

              #7
              Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
              Just been trying to ring up parish councillors....2 were dead (Council website has not been up dated since 2009)....one was in his 80's and very deaf, he had been at the meeting but couldn't remember anything about it....2 more were not at the meeting (one was very anti-dog....)....Pwwsh!!
              Backwoodsmen! <sigh>

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              • Flosshilde
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7988

                #8
                8th, this might be useful -

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                • Sydney Grew
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 754

                  #9
                  Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                  . . . it would have been civil and courteous . . .
                  From what I am able to gather - not having resided there for some years - courtesy has become rare in the England of to-day. A good deal of the blame must I feel fall upon Mrs. Thatcher and her set. Will courtesy ever return we may ask? What would it take to bring it back?

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                  • Dave2002
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 18025

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sydney Grew View Post
                    From what I am able to gather - not having resided there for some years - courtesy has become rare in the England of to-day. A good deal of the blame must I feel fall upon Mrs. Thatcher and her set. Will courtesy ever return we may ask? What would it take to bring it back?
                    I blame Mrs T for many things, but it never occurred to me that we could legitimately blame her for reducing courtesy levels in England.

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30329

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                      Though I don't see anything about fencing in there ...? It would seem quite an important aspect of 'management'.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • eighthobstruction
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 6444

                        #12
                        As you know I am dyslexic....and letters is twisting me....can anybody (thanks flosshilde)draw out a paragraph that deals with: the balance that should be made in every project decision between, - the flowers -nature/natural spaces -the local peoples recreation-consultation of locals - the landscape- the woodland Trust -specialists and experts -this generation and the next.

                        As we know someone who is an expert at one thing (conservation), might be blind and complete dunz at another(landscaping and aesthetics)....
                        Last edited by eighthobstruction; 08-03-14, 11:34.
                        bong ching

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30329

                          #13
                          8th, I don't know about the exact balance question, but page 4 has the Trust's 9 general guidelines.

                          1 includes 'Our woods are managed to maintain their key features of value...'

                          2 relates to public access, designed to be 'free' and 'accessible'.

                          8 deals with the 'heritage value' of the woodlands which is 'taken into account' in management plans.

                          9 in full, reads: "We work with neighbours, local people, organisations and other stakeholders in developing the management of our woods. We recognise the benefits of local community woodland ownership and management. Where appropriate we allow our woods to be used to support local woodland, conservation, education and access initiatives."

                          I think those were the most relevant parts.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • eighthobstruction
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 6444

                            #14
                            Thankyou
                            bong ching

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37707

                              #15
                              Reading that document reminds me of Police strategies: public consultation on overall policy; operational details to be left to them.

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