Lawn mowing

[oddoneout]

That hadn't occurred to me: I could well have been that little woman, having often made good use of dumped junk in skips parked on a street, and strayed across property thresholds. .

Skipdivers are supposed to get permission from the property owner/ contractor before removing things, not least because going onto private land and helping yourself to things isn't generally considered the done thing. I've indulged in the past and on 2 occasions the items were transported for me - which wouldn't have happened if I hadn't asked permission to take them.

[Dave2002]

Skipdivers are supposed to get permission from the property owner/ contractor before removing things, not least because going onto private land and helping yourself to things isn't generally considered the done thing. I've indulged in the past and on 2 occasions the items were transported for me - which wouldn't have happened if I hadn't asked permission to take them.

That's the second time in recent weeks I've heard about "skipdiving". I thought it was only Ed Reardon who did such things. Poor Elgar though ....

[oddoneout]

That's the second time in recent weeks I've heard about "skipdiving". I thought it was only Ed Reardon who did such things. Poor Elgar though ....

Sorry, you've lost me there.

[Dave2002]

Sorry, you've lost me there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001nvsh

[Bryn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001nvsh

It was a bit esoteric. Not everyone is even aware of the imagined existence of Ed Reardon or the feline Elgar.

[oddoneout]

It was a bit esoteric. Not everyone is even aware of the imagined existence of Ed Reardon or the feline Elgar.

Thank you Bryn. Funnily enough I had come across the name occasionally but knew nothing further, having had no reason to find out, and googling wasn't much help on this occasion.

[gradus]

Perhaps from reading Gissing's new Grub Street?

[Old Grumpy]

Skipdivers are supposed to get permission from the property owner/ contractor before removing things, not least because going onto private land and helping yourself to things isn't generally considered the done thing. I've indulged in the past and on 2 occasions the items were transported for me - which wouldn't have happened if I hadn't asked permission to take them.

What if the skip is placed in (and incidentally therefore obstructing) a public highway? I believe the owners of ghe skip need permission from the local council to place a skip in the road, but do wonder how many of these skips actually have permission.

[Serial_Apologist]

What if the skip is placed in (and incidentally therefore obstructing) a public highway? I believe the owners of ghe skip need permission from the local council to place a skip in the road, but do wonder how many of these skips actually have permission.

Most dumping skips are no bigger than your average car, so presumably they would be covered by the same regulations as parking as far as council permission was concerned? However, going back to skip diving matters, I was once informed that anything left out anywhere, whether on private or public property, remains that of the owner - that is, until it is picked up by the refuse collectors, at which point ownership transfers to them, and thence, presumably, to the refuse collecting site: would that be right? If so that would presumably apply to refuse of any kind, as well as to whoever was collecting it.

[Old Grumpy]

Chapter and verse (https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/licens...cence-guidance) at least NYCC style.

Basically it is the skip company who has to arrange the permit.

[smittims]

I think you must be right; otherwise people could pinch plants out of your front garden in the pretext that they were 'rubbish'! One man's weed is another man's flower one man's rubbish is another's garden ornament.

[Serial_Apologist]

I think you must be right; otherwise people could pinch plants out of your front garden in the pretext that they were 'rubbish'! One man's weed is another man's flower one man's rubbish is another's garden ornament.

A matter of gnome from 'ome, then!

[smittims]

You're killing me?...

[oddoneout]

What if the skip is placed in (and incidentally therefore obstructing) a public highway? I believe the owners of ghe skip need permission from the local council to place a skip in the road, but do wonder how many of these skips actually have permission.

The person hiring the skip may need to organise the permit but I think most hire companies arrange it themselves; it's not in their interest to illegally site a skip given that most display the company name prominently for advertising purposes. In theory it's possible to check if it has a permit through the local council, but whether in practice I don't know, given how many council functions now don't function due to defunding constraints.

[oddoneout]

Most dumping skips are no bigger than your average car, so presumably they would be covered by the same regulations as parking as far as council permission was concerned? However, going back to skip diving matters, I was once informed that anything left out anywhere, whether on private or public property, remains that of the owner - that is, until it is picked up by the refuse collectors, at which point ownership transfers to them, and thence, presumably, to the refuse collecting site: would that be right? If so that would presumably apply to refuse of any kind, as well as to whoever was collecting it.

Well I do know that waste taken to a waste site becomes the property of the site operators such that you can't give the items in your car to another person once you are on site. It may be possible(depending on how alert and/or jobsworth the operatives are ) and provided the item(s) are not taken out of the car at any stage on site, to arrange to meet up round the back and make the transfer. I have occasionally been successful. However, one attempt to rescue a quantity of usable garden tools(with a view to giving them to a community allotment project I was involved with) was stymied by the woman not believing me and going and asking one of the staff, who then took delight in pronouncing several of them as not good enough to go in the resale shop and throwing them in the landfill skip as mixed waste. She was shocked but I refrained from saying "I told you so" as she'd mentioned that they were things she'd cleared out of a recently deceased relative's garden shed. Seeing perfectly serviceable items going to landfill skip as a result of that set-up is something which I have been complaining about periodically to the local and county councils and in the local papers for decades, and have never had either a consistent or credible response.

[Dave2002]

However, one attempt to rescue a quantity of usable garden tools(with a view to giving them to a community allotment project I was involved with) was stymied by the woman not believing me and going and asking one of the staff, who then took delight in pronouncing several of them as not good enough to go in the resale shop and throwing them in the landfill skip as mixed waste. She was shocked but I refrained from saying "I told you so" as she'd mentioned that they were things she'd cleared out of a recently deceased relative's garden shed..

Perhaps a pound or two given to the jobsworths would have overcome that particular difficulty.

I suspect that if you go to the dump often enough, to get a relation with the guys there, that something more sensible might have been worked out. Not that I would want to suggest any subversive and corrupt practices.

One thing I've noted amongst "workers" in many places is that they are very happy to dispose of stuff which doesn't belong to them, and have them replaced at the original owner's expense. Garages may do that - examples being brake pads and brake disks, which may be needlessly replaced way before their expiry date, and the cost of replacements and the fitting is usually born by the car owner. I'm trying to think of examples without being too obviously critical of individuals. Other examples may be radiators in heating systems - and yes they do need to be replaced sometimes, but someone fitting a CH system may recommend fitting new radiators which are not strictly necessary, and offering to obtain and fit them. Then of course there are whole industries with planned obsolecence built in - white goods such as fridges, freezers, washing machines etc., plus obviously the car industry.

[Cockney Sparrow]

One thing I've noted amongst "workers" in many places is that they are very happy to dispose of stuff which doesn't belong to them, and have them replaced at the original owner's expense. Garages may do that.....

I think that often with modern day cars, faults are located in mechanical or other modules its not possible to repair. Or economic - in view of the hourly rate and overheads in play.

I recently changed my "ongoing" (i.e post warranty - not main dealer) garage and the proprieter called to say "I like to repair when I can but I just couldn''t get the bonnet catch to work so it has to be replaced..." which is heartening to know.