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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30448

    Is it a shrub, is it a tree, no it's …

    … superweed!

    Any ideas? This was a small seedling, presumably from a seed dropped by a bird, which fell into a crack in the flagstones. Now about 3 inches tall. I thought a flower bud was forming at the top, but now it seems to be just a leaf bud.



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    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
  • jean
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7100

    #2
    The stem is too fleshy for it to be a tree - even at that height, trees are more woody.
    Last edited by Accidental; 18-01-20, 19:04.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12927

      #3
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      ... I don't think it's Triffidus celestus, but you can never be too sure...

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      • Mal
        Full Member
        • Dec 2016
        • 892

        #4
        Try LeafSnap:

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30448

          #5
          Originally posted by jean View Post
          The stem is too fleshy for it to be a tree - even at that height, trees are more woody.
          It may be an escape from a garden and is some kind of border plant - though I would expect it to have a flower, eventually, if that is the case. It's not a weed I recognise.
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30448

            #6
            Originally posted by Mal View Post
            Fascinating. I may try that, though I tried another plant recognition site and it declared there was nothing like it. These sites may demand bigger plants, and more information such as whether there is a flower.
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Mal
              Full Member
              • Dec 2016
              • 892

              #7
              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              Fascinating. I may try that, though I tried another plant recognition site and it declared there was nothing like it...
              Four other ways to do it:

              Need help to identify an animal, plant or fossil? Get help from our online guides and Museum scientists.


              Maybe start with this:

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              • jean
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7100

                #8
                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                It may be an escape from a garden and is some kind of border plant...
                That seems likely.

                ...though I would expect it to have a flower, eventually, if that is the case.
                It's a bit small to have a flower yet - give it a few more weeks!

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30448

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mal View Post
                  Four other ways to do it:

                  Need help to identify an animal, plant or fossil? Get help from our online guides and Museum scientists.


                  Maybe start with this:

                  http://www.nhm.ac.uk/content/dam/nhm...cation-key.pdf
                  Quite fun to use, anyway

                  Originally posted by jean View Post
                  That seems likely.

                  It's a bit small to have a flower yet - give it a few more weeks!
                  Yes - it costs nothing to wait and takes up very little space! I have now banished the neighbourhood cats from my back garden and have ordered two more trees (crataegus and malus) to go with another crataegus, a prunus, a euonymus and a sorbus, in the hope that with no cats I shall be able to attract some birds.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • oddoneout
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 9268

                    #10
                    Looks like a birch seedling - I get them coming up in my garden. As a pioneer species they aren't fussy about conditions where they germinate and the windborne seed can spread widely.

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                    • Bryn
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 24688

                      #11
                      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                      Looks like a birch seedling - I get them coming up in my garden. As a pioneer species they aren't fussy about conditions where they germinate and the windborne seed can spread widely.
                      The peripheral serrations look a bit tame, and the stem insufficiently woody for birch, I would have thought.
                      Last edited by Bryn; 17-05-18, 20:08. Reason: Crucial typo

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30448

                        #12
                        Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                        Looks like a birch seedling - I get them coming up in my garden. As a pioneer species they aren't fussy about conditions where they germinate and the windborne seed can spread widely.
                        It's possible. My next door neighbour has/had a silver birch, about 8 years old - which died off completely last year. This is its second 'dead' year (it's still standing), but it might have cast a seed waiting to germinate, conditions being favourable. On the other hand - it didn't immediately look like a birch leaf to me. I'll keep it for a while, but I don't really want any trees as big as that in my yard - 10-12ft is what I aim for.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • doversoul1
                          Ex Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 7132

                          #13
                          Birch leaves do look similar.
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                          But as jean says the stem looks too fleshy. Also tree seedlings don’t have leaves from the base but have unmistakable tree trunks in miniature. Bush seedlings don’t have main stems. It looks more like some kind of begonia, and also as jean says, it will be another few weeks before it flowers if it is a plant.

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                          • gradus
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5622

                            #14
                            Looks like a hazel seedling although the stem seems too fleshy.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37812

                              #15
                              Originally posted by doversoul1 View Post
                              Birch leaves do look similar.
                              Trees by Post is the leading UK supplier of trees, tree gifts, seedlings, saplings, hedging, shrubs, marginal pond plants & wild flowers. Buy tree saplings. Mail order delivery of UK native trees & hedging. Fast UK delivery. 100% secure online ordering.


                              But as jean says the stem looks too fleshy. Also tree seedlings don’t have leaves from the base but have unmistakable tree trunks in miniature. Bush seedlings don’t have main stems. It looks more like some kind of begonia, and also as jean says, it will be another few weeks before it flowers if it is a plant.
                              My immediate first thought was that it is a begonia - but a small one: a smallownia!

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