Anyone going anywhere anytime soon?

[Bryn]

I have this feeling that all the people going to unwise raves and street parties will now have been infected, felt a bit off colour or not but are now immune. Whereas those who have obeyed the rules and stayed out of circulation will be hit by a second wave.

What outstanding grasp of the epidemiology of this disease.

[oddoneout]

I have this feeling that all the people going to unwise raves and street parties will now have been infected, felt a bit off colour or not but are now immune. Whereas those who have obeyed the rules and stayed out of circulation will be hit by a second wave.

That's an interesting take on things Count B. I don't intend to insult but I'm afraid it sounds too much like the kind of thing that would be spouted in the useless daily press events, and as such is probably the opposite of the reality.

[MrGongGong]

I have this feeling that all the people going to unwise raves and street parties will now have been infected, felt a bit off colour or not but are now immune. Whereas those who have obeyed the rules and stayed out of circulation will be hit by a second wave.

"Unwise raves"

It is important IMV to distinguish between "obeying the rules" because they have a basis in evidence and simply doing what we are told because "thems the rules".

I'm certainly NOT "obeying the rules" (or are they guidance ? ) because those in power (who don't take any notice anyway) tell me to.
I'm more inclined to do the opposite of what the pathological liar we have for a PM says than go along with it.

[DracoM]

Living in / near a UK staycation hub, I can tell you we are braced, fearful - well, a bit - and very, very carefully watching the car cavalcades, the non-stop biker processions.

Sounds great, vote-catching stuff proclaimed from PM at the Box. In the real world, out here, we have far, far more doubts and fears about the immediate future.

[Count Boso]

What outstanding grasp of the epidemiology of this disease.

Don't stop there. Please enlighten me. It will be interesting to see if Sweden does well out of a second wave i.e. that 'herd immunity' is indeed a reality, provided you are prepared to tolerate a higher death rate among the more vulnerable. Most administrations would be careful about that.

But I interrupt - you are about to explain my naivety I do seriously want to know, as clearly I'm no more informed than most, indeed it seems less so.

[Count Boso]

"Unwise raves"

It is important IMV to distinguish between "obeying the rules" (or are they guidance ? ) because they have a basis in evidence and simply doing what we are told because "thems the rules".

I'm more inclined to do the opposite of what the pathological liar we have for a PM says than go along with it.

Let me explain my meaning. Most people have no idea what's 'best', though some, as with Brexit, think their own common sense is enough. I'm certainly NOT "obeying the rules" because those in power tell me to. Obeying the rules doesn't necessarily imply we should do so because the government tells us to. It may mean we listen and take the most cautious approach.

I'm with those who will remain sequestered.

[MrGongGong]

Let me explain my meaning. Most people have no idea what's 'best', though some, as with Brexit, think their own common sense is enough. I'm certainly NOT "obeying the rules" because those in power tell me to. Obeying the rules doesn't necessarily imply we should do so because the government tells us to. It may mean we listen and take the most cautious approach.

I'm with those who will remain sequestered.

I'm no fan of "common sense" as it often seems to be used by those who have dodgy motives
BUT, I don't buy the whole "comply with us or die" narrative

Those who aren't in contact with folks who travel about aren't at any more risk from some folks listening to music in the street in Bristol
There's a whole load of narratives going on here IMV
It seems that a certain toad-faced chap has been allowed to fly to the USA to speak at a rally , except it didn't work out for him...

[Count Boso]

I'm no fan of "common sense" as it often seems to be used by those who have dodgy motives
BUT, I don't buy the whole "comply with us or die" narrative

We don't disagree on that. But you either take a personal decision to do what 'experts' seem to be saying which for the vulnerable is to stay in, to be on the safe side, or you take a decision to disregard and carry on as normal as it's 'safe to come out' now.

Those who aren't in contact with folks who travel about aren't at any more risk from some folks listening to music in the street in Bristol

I'm not sure how you avoid being 'in contact with folks who travel about'. If it's correct that the virus entered the country at least 1,300 times how are they going to check that from now on it stays out?

[MrGongGong]

We don't disagree on that. But you either take a personal decision to do what 'experts' seem to be saying which for the vulnerable is to stay in, to be on the safe side, or you take a decision to disregard and carry on as normal as it's 'safe to come out' now.

I don't disagree at all
but I take issue (a bit) with the

I have this feeling that all the people going to unwise raves and street parties will now have been infected,

bit because it implies that if we "obey" we will all be well
when we know that there are lots of folks (who seem to be wealthy and powerful) who are quite immune

[Serial_Apologist]

Don't stop there. Please enlighten me. It will be interesting to see if Sweden does well out of a second wave i.e. that 'herd immunity' is indeed a reality, provided you are prepared to tolerate a higher death rate among the more vulnerable. Most administrations would be careful about that.

But I interrupt - you are about to explain my naivety I do seriously want to know, as clearly I'm no more informed than most, indeed it seems less so.

Well, my understanding, FWIW, is that there is no guarantee or proven evidence that catching the thing rules out getting it a second time, although there was some talk by a prof on lunchtime news that those who had it asymptomatically may have been less likely to have developed protective antibodies lasting more than a few months.

For my own purposes I'll not be going anywhere, except for afternoon walks and cycle trips around this and neighbouring districts. One thing I would like to know is: if I am to continue in my interests to maintain the 2 metre social distancing, does this mean that I am to be exonerated from the necessity of donning face masks in the required locations?

[Count Boso]

I don't disagree at all
but I take issue (a bit) with the
bit because it implies that if we "obey" we will all be well
when we know that there are lots of folks (who seem to be wealthy and powerful) who are quite immune

Fair enough. I won't bother to go back and delete the word 'unwise'* but consider it unsaid. What the wealthy and powerful do is up to them. I don't have to admire or envy them for it, but if there's a petition going against them I'll certainly sign it - not much else to do.

* It was slightly tongue in cheek: I don't judge.

[Count Boso]

Well, my understanding, FWIW, is that there is no guarantee or proven evidence that catching the thing rules out getting it a second time,

No, but I understood the likelihood was that they would develop the antibodies - though it won't be permanent. But in the end, we can see that different countries have taken different measures and had different results. As I also understand, no one is really very sure how any of this is going to play out. It's the uncertainties that we all face which leads me to favour caution.

For my own purposes I'll not be going anywhere, except for afternoon walks and cycle trips around this and neighbouring districts. One thing I would like to know is: if I am to continue in my interests to maintain the 2 metre social distancing, does this mean that I am to be exonerated from the necessity of donning face masks in the required locations?

I have ONE face mask (a disposable one), but I asked one of my shoppers whether many people were wearing masks and she said in shops some were, most weren't. Don't know if that the case elsewhere?

[Serial_Apologist]

No, but I understood the likelihood was that they would develop the antibodies - though it won't be permanent. But in the end, we can see that different countries have taken different measures and had different results. As I also understand, no one is really very sure how any of this is going to play out. It's the uncertainties that we all face which leads me to favour caution.



I have ONE face mask (a disposable one), but I asked one of my shoppers whether many people were wearing masks and she said in shops some were, most weren't. Don't know if that the case elsewhere?

I haven't yet come across any shops insisting on face masks being worn - either by staff or customers - though I imagine this may change with the 1 metre gap now made de rigueur.

[ardcarp]

Living in / near a UK staycation hub, I can tell you we are braced, fearful - well, a bit - and very, very carefully watching the car cavalcades, the non-stop biker processions.

I know there is much divided opinion in places such as Cornwall. There are many who earn their living in the holiday and leisure sector and are therefore desperate for some tourists. Others, ofter older, retired or (some I know) escapees from London to second homes just before the lockdown who want to keep all tourism at bay. Big dilemma.

The above situation is highly relevant to Scillonians who live in an island paradise even more remote from the dreaded virus than mainland Cornwall.

The Isles are at their very best in May and June from the point of view of wild flowers, bird life and nature in general. Sadly we've missed that this year. It doesn't cost us anything as we live on a boat and anchor around te islands free of charge. There are some eye-wateringly expensive shops (e.g. on St Martins and Tresco) but there's a good old Co-op on St Mary's where food doesn't seem much more expensive than anywhere else. Holiday cottages tend to cost a lot. But there's always camping. On the magical camp-site on the western extremity of St Agnes, there's nothing between your tent and America. You have to take your own kit on the Scillonian, but you can arrange to have it (and you) transported there by the inter-island boats and tractor. Superb, as long as the weather is kind. A damp, windy experience when an Atlantic front moves across.

[DracoM]

<< by the inter-island boats and tractor. >>

Same as in my beloved Sark.