The North East of England

[antongould]

Number 4.

Seems slightly odd, that, but...……!

(His playing career ended when I was 5 so I am using that as my excuse for vagueness - I don't go to the cinema so I haven't seen the full film yet)

Right Halfs .... Lat do you remember them ..... ???

[Lat-Literal]

Right Halfs .... Lat do you remember them ..... ???

Well, yes, but I thought he was also an inside forward. Also, I tend to think in terms of a 4 having a more central, mainly defensive role. A lot of the variations are down to formations as they developed - or they were. Because of my age, a significant part of me thinks historically in terms of 4-4-2 while you are going back earlier. But anything goes now - or so it seems.

[french frank]

Because of my age, a significant part of me thinks historically in terms of 4-4-2 while you are going back earlier.

5-3-2.

Full backs 2 and 3; half backs 4, 5, 6; forwards 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Number 9 centre forward. That said, we didn't actually have numbers on our hockey shirts.

[Old Grumpy]

5-3-2.

Full backs 2 and 3; half backs 4, 5, 6; forwards 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Number 9 centre forward. That said, we didn't actually have numbers on our hockey shirts.

Time for a "Crooked stick game" thread perhaps?

[Lat-Literal]

5-3-2.

Full backs 2 and 3; half backs 4, 5, 6; forwards 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Number 9 centre forward. That said, we didn't actually have numbers on our hockey shirts.

Well, yes indeed. Being more of a statistician than a tactician - hence currently at 143,381 out of 5,715,731 in fantasy football he says defensively along with a slice of luck - I am likely to get myself into a mess with this discussion if I pursue. But some of the names of positional roles that have been mentioned. These were on bubble gum cards of the likes of a balding Ralph Coates around 1970 which I used to swap while chucking the bubble gum away. It seems to me that the 1974 World Cup changed a lot - West Germany, especially Holland - after which there were very many changes. As an indication, while the football magazine I bought in the 1970s was "Shoot" it was, along with "When Saturday Comes", "4-4-2" in the 1990s.

The modern game is one of interchanging roles, free roles and not a little politics. Steve Sidwell was saying only today that when he went from Reading to Chelsea as a player who was not exactly an obvious choice for such a club, Mourinho was probably in that transfer making a statement to the board. If you don't give me the money, this is what you'll get. He then followed that up by giving him the No 9 shirt which was hardly appropriate, then rarely played him to highlight that he wasn't being able to purchase a Centre Forward. Plus ca change.

[antongould]

5-3-2.

Full backs 2 and 3; half backs 4, 5, 6; forwards 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Number 9 centre forward. That said, we didn't actually have numbers on our hockey shirts.

Spot on ff ... and how many hockey players became Knights Of The Realm and/or had a Cafe in Langley Park named after them .... ???

[Lat-Literal]

Spot on ff ... and how many hockey players became Knights Of The Realm and/or had a Cafe in Langley Park named after them .... ???

Did Wendy Smith of Prefab Sprout play hockey?

Surely she must at the very least be a dame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rINf4QczebU

(Not one of their best - it's a minor one from their haphazard early period and this one was very haphazard - but it prepared the way nicely for Belle and Sebastian etc)

[Lat-Literal]

There was a post a while back in which I questioned the thinking behind Lindisfarne's "Sunderland Boys" given that its writer Rod Clements and other members of the group were born north of the Tyne. However, with further use of the internet and clarification of things I sort of knew anyway, I realise that I was probably wrong to draw such a great distinction between North and South Tyneside when the more significant distinction would be between Tyneside and Wearside. This is not to say that the slightly bemused observation doesn't still stand. Arguably, given the added mileage, it makes the song all the more surprising. But I've never been too sure of the lyrics of it. Are they celebratory or not? Perhaps I should go back to it again and listen to it properly. I suppose just the mere mentioning of Sunderland sufficed as a means of potentially including all of Tyne and Wear in their home audience.

Elsewhere, I am picking up in various books including one linked to the "Coast" series that the Durham coastline has had a massive transformation. That book says that several decades ago, Durham people would have laughed out loud at any suggestion that there was a coastline in all but name, such was the impact of mining. But the huge clean up often undertaken by ex miners and other local people has made parts of it very attractive, perhaps most notably around Seaham and where the footpaths are through wooded glens. It is the case, I think, that there are parts of the British coastline which are largely overlooked by most of the tourism industry. Durham now joins, say, Lincolnshire on my list of "the unexplored".

[BBMmk2]

I would love to go to Yorkshire,especiallyQueensbury, Grimethorpe and Brighouse!

[Lat-Literal]

I would love to go to Yorkshire,especiallyQueensbury, Grimethorpe and Brighouse!

A great idea......brass bands!

Have you never been to Yorkshire, BBM? I can't believe you haven't!

[Serial_Apologist]

A great idea......brass bands!

Have you never been to Yorkshire, BBM? I can't believe you haven't!

Ah yes, the Black Dyke Mills Band. No sexist, racist or misogynist jokes, please!

[Lat-Literal]

Ah yes, the Black Dyke Mills Band. No sexist, racist or misogynist jokes, please!

From memory, BBM is not a fan of them.

I am to some extent guided by him on these matters, not that I need much pushing in the direction of Grimethorpe etc.

The Lindisfarne Gospels:

We have on this forum discussed them before. However, I can't remember what people who have had that British Museum experience felt about it. Is it fabulous as suits the colour etc or a bit dusty in the presentation? How many people do you have to peer around in order to see them? Has anyone been there to see them on a Saturday and would this be a good or a bad time to try? Also, does anyone have any thoughts on whether they should be moved to a location in the North East? If so, where? Durham Cathedral? Newcastle? Lindisfarne?

[Old Grumpy]

Lindisfarne Gospels well worth a see. I don't know what the British Museum is like, but the Gospels are at the British Library. On the website (linked) you can see a few of the pages. I have no strong feelings about where they should be - I think I saw them in Durham a while back.

OG

[Cockney Sparrow]

Can't remember specifically. The display of manuscripts at the British Library is at low light levels. (Of course - you'll get to see two pages only!). You could study, in advance, the digitised Copy (538 images) here :

http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=cotton_ms_nero_d_iv

And "In 1753, the Cotton library formed one of the foundation collections of the newly-established British Museum. Sir John Cotton is therefore regarded as the first benefactor of the British Museum (and hence of the British Library)" here:

https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/lindisfarne-gospels?shelfitemviewer=1#

The British Library (so - St Pancras) might be reluctant to part with it......

[Lat-Literal]

Lindisfarne Gospels well worth a see. I don't know what the British Museum is like, but the Gospels are at the British Library. On the website (linked) you can see a few of the pages. I have no strong feelings about where they should be - I think I saw them in Durham a while back.

OG

Can't remember specifically. The display of manuscripts at the British Library is at low light levels. (Of course - you'll get to see two pages only!). You could study, in advance, the digitised Copy (538 images) here :

http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?ref=cotton_ms_nero_d_iv

And "In 1753, the Cotton library formed one of the foundation collections of the newly-established British Museum. Sir John Cotton is therefore regarded as the first benefactor of the British Museum (and hence of the British Library)" here:

https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/lindisfarne-gospels?shelfitemviewer=1#

The British Library (so - St Pancras) might be reluctant to part with it......

Oh dear oh dear. I keep getting things wrong. I don't think it is a condition quite yet. My life is just so muddled these days.

Thank you for the clarification. Just the two pages is a minus in my view. I suppose I should have known that. The St Pancras is a big plus. It is easier now with Thameslink to get to. Because I am having to cram in the things I want to do, I probably didn't give Durham Cathedral enough of a chance. However, I do go by the feeling and appearance of places and I did think it was all a little bit "high". So if they were to be moved, I would favour a different location - and such things have been discussed. Newcastle would be good and the island of Lindisfarne would be even better. I am a bit of a back to basics and even a nonconformist sort anyway - one of my favourite religious buildings is the Chapel of St Non's and another is Tudeley Church - so to that extent the outlook is entirely predictable. Although I am not, I think, narrow minded. From what I have seen of, say, Gloucester Cathedral on the television, it looks very good even if I associate that city with some horrid meetings where I wasn't adequately briefed. Consequently, I didn't think it was up to much. But yet again I digress.