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  • vinteuil
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12793

    #16
    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    Well I interpret Varese's remark as in sympathy with progressive thinking in terms of scientific enquiry, discovery, invention, and politics, which is probably just wishful thinking on my part!
    ...it can in fact be read as a decidedly sniffy remark - "We (artists) are in touch with the times; the people (the rest of you lot) are way behind the times." Not a pertick'ly attractive stance...

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37602

      #17
      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
      ...it can in fact be read as a decidedly sniffy remark - "We (artists) are in touch with the times; the people (the rest of you lot) are way behind the times." Not a pertick'ly attractive stance...

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      I read it as a lament.

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      • ardcarp
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 11102

        #18
        I forgot to mention in my OP that Norway recently switched off its FM radio signal. This was mentioned on You and Yours today (where there was some bloke banging on about the advantages of digital). Most Norwegians are FURIOUS about this (a) because many (most?) cars don't have DAB radios and (b) because vast areas of Norway cannot receive a digital radio signal.

        We need to learn from this. In rural Britain, there are many places where you can't get a mobile phone signal, let alone DAB radio. In fact in a few places you can only get Radio 4 on Long Wave! Our government has apparently decided to turn off our FM signal when '50% of listeners are using digital radio'. Exactly how do you calculate that? We all know that the boundary between facts, statistics and damned lies is very flaky, and I dare say the government will choose the figure that suits it best. What I cannot understand is why the rush, or indeed the need to turn off the FM signal?

        You and Yours: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09kq14w
        about 11min 45sec from start

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        • Richard Barrett
          Guest
          • Jan 2016
          • 6259

          #19
          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
          Well I interpret Varese's remark as in sympathy with progressive thinking in terms of scientific enquiry, discovery, invention, and politics, which is probably just wishful thinking on my part!
          Varèse's politics unfortunately don't bear very close scrutiny and were certainly not "progressive" in the sense of his thoughts on other matters. But you're right of course in saying he didn't only have art in mind. How many people still in the 21st century haven't replaced a Newtonian view of the world with one based on Einstein's special and general relativity (which are until you get into the mathematical detail no more difficult to understand)? How many people are aware of what's going on under the bonnet of their computer to the degree they might about what's going on under the bonnet oftheir car>

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          • Beef Oven!
            Ex-member
            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            #20
            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
            Varèse's politics unfortunately don't bear very close scrutiny and were certainly not "progressive" in the sense of his thoughts on other matters. But you're right of course in saying he didn't only have art in mind. How many people still in the 21st century haven't replaced a Newtonian view of the world with one based on Einstein's special and general relativity (which are until you get into the mathematical detail no more difficult to understand)? How many people are aware of what's going on under the bonnet of their computer to the degree they might about what's going on under the bonnet oftheir car>
            Have you tried to fathom what's going on under the bonnet of a contemporary car? A computer is the easier option, IMV.

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            • Richard Barrett
              Guest
              • Jan 2016
              • 6259

              #21
              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              Have you tried to fathom what's going on under the bonnet of a contemporary car? A computer is the easier option, IMV.
              Well, I know how to put in oil and windscreen washer fluid, fill the radiator and replace the battery. I can dimly remember changing spark plugs as well. And I more or less know which bit is which. I don't think I'd have much idea with one of these hybrid machines though.

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                #22
                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                Well, I know how to put in oil and windscreen washer fluid, fill the radiator and replace the battery. I can dimly remember changing spark plugs as well. And I more or less know which bit is which. I don't think I'd have much idea with one of these hybrid machines though.
                Ok, you'd be fine with an Escort MKI

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  Ok, you'd be fine with an Escort MKI
                  Or:

                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25195

                    #24
                    or one of these

                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #25
                      ... or this classic ...

                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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