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What Was Your Most Recent Bottle of Wine?
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I spotted a bottle of German wine in the Coop: a Mosel Piesporter Michelsberg which took me back to the glory days of German wines. I shan't buy another . I remember Oddbins saying a few years ago that they didn't stock any German wines because 'there was nothing good enough'. Is there anything worth looking out for?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI remember Oddbins saying a few years ago that they didn't stock any German wines because 'there was nothing good enough'. Is there anything worth looking out for?
(Many decades back though the reputation of German wines was "afflicted" by Liebfraumilch and, yes, poor quality Piesporter Michelsberg.)
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Originally posted by johnb View PostOn the surface that seems an extraordinary statement. I don't know enough to recommend anything but I do know there are many knowledgeable wine enthusiasts who love German wines.
(Many decades back though the reputation of German wines was "afflicted" by Liebfraumilch and, yes, poor quality Piesporter Michelsberg.)
Last bottle here of Niersteiner Gutes Domtal Auslese 1976, £41.41 - that was another name I remember.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI was remembering a long time back when, as a teenager, I was taken out to eat somewhere by my father (who knew nothing about wine, I should say). He usually chose a German wine and I remembered them as very good, and with a good reputation. Then there was certainly an era of Liebfraumilch, Black Tower, Blue Nun, but I seem to think even the rather more upmarket labels became unreliable? It could be that the Oddbins man was excusing the fact that they had nothing German, but if not, why not (this was about 10 years ago)?
Last bottle here of Niersteiner Gutes Domtal Auslese 1976, £41.41 - that was another name I remember.
There are lots of quite wonderful German wines . I suggest that if you see anything from the Mosel from Dr Loosen it can be bought with confidence . The same would apply to Fritz Haag and JJ Prum, the awesome albeit expensive Mosels of Egon Muller and the Rhine wines of Gunderloch and Leitz . The latter and Dr Loosen's wines are available from Waitrose and Majestic .
The Co-Op has also always sold good German wines from von Kesselstatt .
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That sounds very authoritative and comprehensive as a reply - thank you!
I'd never noticed any German in our Coopie, other than the mass market labels.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Some friends put together half-a-dozen bottles of Spanish wine from The Wine Society for a local wine-tasting yesterday. We're all keen amateurs/topers. The comments before the Wine Society description are mine
The wines were:
The Society’s Reserva Brut Cava
Lemony & clean, some breadiness too - good persistent bead.
Putting our members before profit, we buy on quality and taste alone so you can enjoy wine at the fairest prices - For you and the people who make it.
Bolo 2012 Godello
Quite fat and appley, alcohol well integrated (not ‘hot’), good acidity, good with prawns we had to taste.
Putting our members before profit, we buy on quality and taste alone so you can enjoy wine at the fairest prices - For you and the people who make it.
Vina Zorzal Graciano 2010
Pink rim, lightish cranberry juice red with good acid/tannin balance, raspberry palate but not jammy.
http://www.thewinesociety.com/shop/productdetail.aspx?section=pd&pl=ZSP&pd=SP8621&pc=&prl=&cc=WDRINKPutting our members before profit, we buy on quality and taste alone so you can enjoy wine at the fairest prices - For you and the people who make it.
Blau, Monsant, 2011
Deep red/purple but tannins quite restrained, some red berry sweetness, nice now but perhaps delicious in a year under the bed (the bottle not me)
Putting our members before profit, we buy on quality and taste alone so you can enjoy wine at the fairest prices - For you and the people who make it.
7 Fuentes Listan Negro 2011
Good fruity cranberry nose, good acidity, would be good with food.
Putting our members before profit, we buy on quality and taste alone so you can enjoy wine at the fairest prices - For you and the people who make it.
La Rioja Alta Vina Ardanza Reserva 2004
Typical aged old-fashioned style red Rioja, rim not brick red yet, bouquet of tangerine peel with good ingering sweetness and acidity. Why did no-one bring a roasted leg of lamb?
Putting our members before profit, we buy on quality and taste alone so you can enjoy wine at the fairest prices - For you and the people who make it.
I enjoyed all these wines but as you can tell, the notes reflected how many I had sampled
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I've not been following this thread and haven't read 32 pages. In my head I differentiate between the fine wines one is treated to on special occcasions and the stuff you find agreeable for an everyday tipple. In the latter category Mrs A and I have recently discovered Lidl's range of wines which seem to represent pretty good value for money. Just shared a bottle of Stowell's Australian Colombard-Chardonnay at just under £4 a kick. Surprisingly sophisticated.
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Just got back from a week's holiday in France and had various Côtes du Rhône in situ including some nice ones from 2012, which I think was a difficult year further North. In Avignon we stumbled across the church (St Didier's) where Messiaen was baptised and had a pleasant meal in a nearby square.
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Barbs. I once helped a guy deliver his yacht to Bordeaux. He was something of a wine expert and as we chugged the final 20 miles up the Gironde he was prancing on the deck pointing out various famous vineyards on the left and right banks. He treated me to a great meal in Bordeaux as a thank-you and bought a bottle of Chateau Margaux costing 60 euros...and this about 20 years ago. It was very pleasant, but 60 euros-worth pleasant? As you see I'm a philistine. I have however since then, developed a tiny bit of knowledge about Muscadet, which I find the very best accompaniment to shellfish. It is the one wine I buy and bring back from French trips, and I always pick a range (Sur Lie, naturellement) from about 8 to 15 euros; and the most expensive isn't always the best.
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