Photos of Composers/other Musicians!

[Pabmusic]

391 Gurney & Butterworth ?

Well, halfway there. Gurney's on the left.

[mercia]

oh sorry I thought I recognised the gentleman on the right as the boy in the topper at Eton from previously

[Roslynmuse]

Well, halfway there. Gurney's on the left.

Is the other one Howells?

[Pabmusic]

oh sorry I thought I recognised the gentleman on the right as the boy in the topper at Eton from previously

The chap on the right is a composer, though...

[mercia]

Is the other one Howells?

that looks a very good call

[Pabmusic]

Is the other one Howells?

that looks a very good call

Two Gloucester lads.

[teamsaint]

Myaskovsky, I think.

[EdgeleyRob]

I knew I'd seen the picture before - it's in the recent John Ogden biography. The other two are John Dow and Audrey Baker (Goehr's first wife). Not names I know! But Howarth looks more like the chap in the front than the one at the back (I think so, anyway!)

Thanks Ros.

[EdgeleyRob]

Yes, I know this. The internet is wonderful; I had to wait many years to visit Cecil Sharp House (the EFDSS) to see the old Kinora films. Now you can download them on YouTube.

Here's the story. The Kinora process used 'flip cards' - you turned a handle and hundreds of cards flipped before your eyes, mimicking movement. The video I've linked to is actually 5 (I think) films made this way in 1912. Three of them feature GB. Also there are Maud and Helen Karpeles and Cecil Sharp. In the first GB film (the one you posted) he keeps going out of shot - not used to a camera (a static one as well). In the one with four dancers, GB and Cecil Sharp bump into each other, which is a lovely moment with much laughter. And in the last (incomplete) film, GB gets really athletic.

I posted this on YouTube (the only thing I've ever attempted). The music is completely inauthentic, of course, since there was no way to synchronise sound in 1912. However, they're all old recordings of nice music. The music that accompanied Lumps of Plum Pudding is actually The Queen's Jig, arranged and conducted by Imogen Holst in 1933. Even so, you'll notice that one or two commentators were very critical that the music was 'wrong' and unsynchronised! Protect me from the world of folk dancers. I have Asperger's, too, but...

Incidentally, one of the Karpeles sisters was really smitten with GB, but he didn't respond. He might have been gay, I suppose, but we have absolutely no record of a romantic interest, male or female. Ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI5qxjWutrs

Fascinating,thanks Pabs

[EdgeleyRob]

Myaskovsky, I think.

Spot on ts,
1898
This is NM some 40 odd years later

[Warlock]

John Dow was a cellist in the Halle Orchestra during Barbirolli's time.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

John Dow was a cellist in the Halle Orchestra during Barbirolli's time.

If he went straight from RMCM, then his time there would have overlapped with Arthur Butterworth's (1955 - '61).

[Warlock]

He was certainly there at the same time as Arthur Butterworth. I think he might have been there during all of Arthur Butterworth's time.

[mercia]

photographs of 19th century-born Russian composers, in their youth, often seem to show them in uniform, I was just wondering if some sort of compulsory military service was part of every male Russian's education. In a link in a previous post there's a photo captioned "Stravinsky riding a horse" which is also of a person in uniform, though I wouldn't actually swear it was Stravinsky.

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[Pabmusic]

They were both composers, but 'im on the right also won an Olympic silver medal.