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Bottom left Goehr,top left Harrison Birtwistle,John Ogdon middle,Elgar Howarth behind JO and PMD to the right I think
I knew I'd seen the picture before - it's in the recent John Ogden biography. The other two are John Dow and Audrey Baker (Goehr's first wife). Not names I know! But Howarth looks more like the chap in the front than the one at the back (I think so, anyway!)
I knew I'd seen the picture before - it's in the recent John Ogden biography. The other two are John Dow and Audrey Baker (Goehr's first wife). Not names I know! But Howarth looks more like the chap in the front than the one at the back (I think so, anyway!)
John Dow was the 'cellist of NMM - I've not seen any other photos of him, but the hairstyle and nose & jawline of the figure at the back looks more like Howarth. (Difficult to say for certain.)
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Footage of George Butterworth
I assume Pabs has seen this before
Yes, I know this. The internet is wonderful; I had to wait many years to visit Cecil Sharp House (the EFDSS) to see the old Kinora films. Now you can download them on YouTube.
Here's the story. The Kinora process used 'flip cards' - you turned a handle and hundreds of cards flipped before your eyes, mimicking movement. The video I've linked to is actually 5 (I think) films made this way in 1912. Three of them feature GB. Also there are Maud and Helen Karpeles and Cecil Sharp. In the first GB film (the one you posted) he keeps going out of shot - not used to a camera (a static one as well). In the one with four dancers, GB and Cecil Sharp bump into each other, which is a lovely moment with much laughter. And in the last (incomplete) film, GB gets really athletic.
I posted this on YouTube (the only thing I've ever attempted). The music is completely inauthentic, of course, since there was no way to synchronise sound in 1912. However, they're all old recordings of nice music. The music that accompanied Lumps of Plum Pudding is actually The Queen's Jig, arranged and conducted by Imogen Holst in 1933. Even so, you'll notice that one or two commentators were very critical that the music was 'wrong' and unsynchronised! Protect me from the world of folk dancers. I have Asperger's, too, but...
Incidentally, one of the Karpeles sisters was really smitten with GB, but he didn't respond. He might have been gay, I suppose, but we have absolutely no record of a romantic interest, male or female. Ever.
Early (1912) Kinora images of four notable pioneers in the folk song and dance revival. They are Cecil Sharp, George Butterworth, and Maud and Helen Karpele...
Last edited by Pabmusic; 30-01-16, 06:08.
Reason: Can't spell.
One to sleep on.
I've no idea who the lady and gentleman bottom right are btw.
The Manchester School around 1955 I would guess.
Top left Harrison Birtwistle (lets leave out Sirs); top right I don't know - Hugh Wood? middle row left: John Ogdon; middle right: P.M. Davies; front left: Sandy Goehr; centre: Susan Bradshaw; front right: Elgar Howarth?
Mercia, have you put your foot in it? No. 359 definitely has Rubbra at the piano (I don't know any of the others) but that got me thinking about this one. Isn't that Rubbra with Holst? Not sure about the women. None looks like Imogen.
Top left Harrison Birtwistle (lets leave out Sirs); top right I don't know - Hugh Wood? middle row left: John Ogdon; middle right: P.M. Davies; front left: Sandy Goehr; centre: Susan Bradshaw; front right: Elgar Howarth?
Elgar Howarth is definitely at the back on the right ( i.e. on Birtwistle's left).
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