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  • Gordon
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1425

    Well done Pabs, another vat of Cali's wine perhaps - if he has any left. Horns always puzzled me; they are brass of course but seemed conventionally to be grouped with the wooden lot. fhg is right - no heavy brass!!

    Fine performances of both Serenades by Kertesz btw.

    The Oistrakh photo above was from February 1956 at Kingsway, Taneyev's Suite de Concert.

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26536

      Originally posted by Gordon View Post
      another vat of Cali's wine perhaps - if he has any left.


      I might be able to rustle something up...
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Roehre

        Originally posted by Gordon View Post
        Well done Pabs, another vat of Cali's wine perhaps - if he has any left. Horns always puzzled me; they are brass of course but seemed conventionally to be grouped with the wooden lot. fhg is right - no heavy brass!!

        Fine performances of both Serenades by Kertesz btw.

        ....
        meaning there aren't any violins on this picture then?

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        • Gordon
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1425

          Originally posted by Roehre View Post
          meaning there aren't any violins on this picture then?
          Yup! they are all violas [or celli and bass]. If you listen to it and compare with the sound of the first serenade you'll hear the lack of high strings [in the left channel]. Op16 is wind heavy anyway so the strings are somewhat muted. Headphone will help.

          Last edited by Gordon; 20-06-15, 15:58.

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          • umslopogaas
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1977

            Going back a couple of years to #4, Flay, what on earth is a New Guinea singing dog? I worked in New Guinea for many years and I never encountered such a thing. I met my neighbour's Bit Me On The Leg Dog, but as far as I know it didnt sing (apart from perhaps one last yelp when my neighbour shot it).

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            • Gordon
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1425

              Originally posted by Flay View Post


              This is him with a New Guinea Singing Dog at London Zoo, 17th March 1965!
              Which is the dog?

              A better view of one here:



              and get to hear one here - note she's trying to attract a mate:

              the female new guinea singing dog sings at the San Diego zooedit: in retrospect I believe she may have been in heat during this time as she was rather vocal ...
              Last edited by Gordon; 20-06-15, 17:12.

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              • EdgeleyRob
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                • Nov 2010
                • 12180

                Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                Ah! Horns are a world apart anyway.
                Confused ?

                I thought Horns were brass instruments.
                Heavy brass,is that just trombones,tubas etc?
                (Trumpets aint heavy ).

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
                  Confused ?

                  I thought Horns were brass instruments.
                  Heavy brass,is that just trombones,tubas etc?
                  (Trumpets aint heavy ).
                  Their sound ai! (The louder brass are affectionately called "heavy" by anyone sat in front of them on stage - which is usually everyone except the percussion. They're in the Pub.)
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    And - off-topic, I know, but I'm sure everybody is concerned ...

                    WHAT'VE YOU DONE WITH THE LABRADOR????!!!!
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • Flosshilde
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7988

                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post


                      'Your orchestra needs YOU' ?

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26536

                        Igor realises that last oyster is about to reappear explosively....





                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • EdgeleyRob
                          Guest
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12180

                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          And - off-topic, I know, but I'm sure everybody is concerned ...

                          WHAT'VE YOU DONE WITH THE LABRADOR????!!!!
                          He's just having a short break,DSCH and Weinberg holding the fort.
                          Thanks for the brass explanation ferney.

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                          • EdgeleyRob
                            Guest
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12180

                            Mieczysław Weinberg eyeing up Mrs Kirill Kondrashin (Warsaw 1966)

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                            • Pabmusic
                              Full Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 5537

                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              Their sound ai! (The louder brass are affectionately called "heavy" by anyone sat in front of them on stage - which is usually everyone except the percussion. They're in the Pub.)
                              Unfair, since it misses out those dreadful occasions when someone has set up the orchestra with the horns in front of the percussion. Particularly in front of the timps. It can be literally damaging, for sudden blows from the drums can travel up the horns and hit the teeth (no doubt one of our esteemed hornists will confirm this). From the timpanist's point of view, certain horn notes will set up sympathetic resonances that you really could do without.

                              And there really is nothing pleasant about the sound of a horn heard from behind.

                              After that, you really need the pub.

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                              • Hornspieler
                                Late Member
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 1847

                                Originally posted by EdgeleyRob View Post
                                Confused ?

                                I thought Horns were brass instruments.
                                Heavy brass,is that just trombones,tubas etc?
                                (Trumpets aint heavy ).
                                So are Saxophones. Have you ever seen a wooden one?
                                Some horns are made of nickel silver (as are saxophones)

                                How would you describe a metal flute - or a solid gold one? Can't say that they're woodwind - they don't even have a reed.

                                So,

                                Q Do horns belong in the brass section or the woodwind?

                                A It all depends on which section you are playing with at the time (In Bruckner and Mahler symphonies even the hornplayers are confused by finding themselves mixed in with Wagner Tubas)

                                Good morning, all you fathers!

                                HS

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