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  • Russ

    #76
    Originally posted by Radio64 View Post
    and what about the use of 'I guess' ..?
    Guilty! (read "In my opinion, not necessarily based on provable fact...")

    Russ

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    • Radio64
      Full Member
      • Jan 2014
      • 962

      #77
      Originally posted by Russ View Post
      Guilty! (read "In my opinion, not necessarily based on provable fact...")

      Russ
      I guess so. ...
      "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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      • jean
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7100

        #78
        Stop there!

        No-one should ever feel shame at having uttered I guess, nor should try to induce that shame in others!

        ...What man that hath freendes thurgh fortune,
        Mishap wol make hem enemys, I gesse;
        This prouerbe is ful sooth and ful commune...

        ...With hym ther was his sone, a yong Squiér,
        A lovyere and a lusty bacheler,
        With lokkes crulle as they were leyd in presse.
        Of twenty yeer of age he was, I gesse...


        (Both Chaucer, of course.)

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        • Sir Velo
          Full Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 3259

          #79
          Originally posted by jean View Post
          Stop there!

          No-one should ever feel shame at having uttered I guess, nor should try to induce that shame in others!
          Well unless one is actually in the act of conjecturing, to say "I guess" is just as meaningless as any other conjunction.

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          • Padraig
            Full Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 4250

            #80
            Originally posted by jean View Post
            Stop there!

            No-one should ever feel shame at having uttered I guess, nor should try to induce that shame in others!

            ...What man that hath freendes thurgh fortune,
            Mishap wol make hem enemys, I gesse;
            This prouerbe is ful sooth and ful commune...

            ...With hym ther was his sone, a yong Squiér,
            A lovyere and a lusty bacheler,
            With lokkes crulle as they were leyd in presse.
            Of twenty yeer of age he was, I gesse...


            (Both Chaucer, of course.)
            We'll forgive his spelling, jean; I know he can do better! But he, and you, make the point.

            So. The particle so 'operates as an expression that obliterates all previous discourse and narrative, and at the same time functions as an exclamation calling for immediate attention.'
            Heaney, in the Introduction to his translation of Beowulf, pages xxvi - xxviii, but preferably all of 2 About This Translation. or better still the whole Introduction, followed by a reading of the poem.

            Beowulf A new Translation. Seamus Heaney. faber and faber 1999

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            • jean
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 7100

              #81
              Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
              Well unless one is actually in the act of conjecturing, to say "I guess" is just as meaningless as any other conjunction.
              Except that it isn't a conjunction - any more than, say, the comparable I think, I suppose, I imagine, or any other of the slightly self-deprecatory locutions that oil the wheels of discourse.

              IMHO, of course.

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              • Radio64
                Full Member
                • Jan 2014
                • 962

                #82
                Originally posted by jean View Post
                Stop there!



                ...What man that hath freendes thurgh fortune,
                Mishap wol make hem enemys, I gesse;
                This prouerbe is ful sooth and ful commune...

                ...With hym ther was his sone, a yong Squiér,
                A lovyere and a lusty bacheler,
                With lokkes crulle as they were leyd in presse.
                Of twenty yeer of age he was, I gesse...


                (Both Chaucer, of course.)
                So, nice one Geoff! .. and Jean!
                "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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                • Don Petter

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Radio64 View Post
                  I guess so. ...
                  That sounds like the answer to

                  'Gee Michelangelo, do you always start your paintings in the same way?'

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                  • Radio64
                    Full Member
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 962

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Don Petter View Post
                    That sounds like the answer to

                    'Gee Michelangelo, do you always start your paintings in the same way?'
                    "Gone Chopin, Bach in a minuet."

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