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  • Flosshilde
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    • Nov 2010
    • 7988

    Nominative determinism

    From today's Radio 3 schedule -

    New Generation Artists

    Ben Johnson Part 1

    Tenor Ben Johnson gets Elizabethan in a programme of John Dowland lute songs
  • LeMartinPecheur
    Full Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 4717

    #2
    Nominative determinism?

    Ben's surname was 'Jonson'.

    Johnson's christian name was 'Doctor'
    I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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    • Flosshilde
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7988

      #3
      Ah, but spelling was variable back then - look at Shakespeare (or was it Shakespear?) http://shaksper.net/archive/2001/177...kespeares-name

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26575

        #4
        This topic was covered by way of a tangent recently on another thread, introduced by teamsaint's reference to his stint of jury service, during which a forensic witness appeared named Dr Dabbs

        I then piched in....


        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
        Classic!

        There's a phrase for this: Nominative Determinism.

        Other examples:

        The maintenance manager at British Waterways is called Lee King.

        The CEO of the UK Border Agency is called Rob Whiteman.

        A sommelier with Kimpton Hotel Group is called Emily Wines.

        And one for history buffs:

        The expert sent by the Lord Chamberlain's office to police the nude revue at the Windmill Theatre, Soho, in the 1930s was called George Titman.

        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • kernelbogey
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 5807

          #5
          A friend attended a dentist called J.A.W. Smith. Honest.

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37851

            #6
            I always liked Private Eye's apocryphal libel lawyers: Sue, Grabbit & Runne

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            • LeMartinPecheur
              Full Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 4717

              #7
              Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
              Ah, but spelling was variable back then - look at Shakespeare (or was it Shakespear?) http://shaksper.net/archive/2001/177...kespeares-name
              Flosshilde: I was expecting this come-back!
              I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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              • umslopogaas
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1977

                #8
                Shakespeare (or was it Shakespear?)

                Or Shagsbeer? Depends on the quality and availability of the serving wenches, I suppose. Hey darling, fancy a wiggle? Nah, seen better on a dormouse, go shake it at Annie, she'd put out for a toad if the pond was warm. I've got pints to serve.

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26575

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                  I always liked Private Eye's apocryphal libel lawyers: Sue, Grabbit & Runne
                  As you may recall, I mentioned on that other post a real firm (in Leamington Spa) called Wright Hassall!
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • kernelbogey
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5807

                    #10
                    Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
                    Shakespeare (or was it Shakespear?)

                    Or Shagsbeer? Depends on the quality and availability of the serving wenches, I suppose. Hey darling, fancy a wiggle? Nah, seen better on a dormouse, go shake it at Annie, she'd put out for a toad if the pond was warm. I've got pints to serve.
                    Yes it was small beer in those days....

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37851

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      As you may recall, I mentioned on that other post a real firm (in Leamington Spa) called Wright Hassall!
                      I remember that now

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                      • Ferretfancy
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3487

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                        A friend attended a dentist called J.A.W. Smith. Honest.
                        I once had a very good Chinese dentist called Mr Fang!

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26575

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                          I once had a very good Chinese dentist called Mr Fang!
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • umslopogaas
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1977

                            #14
                            The weekly New Scientist magazine has a back page feature called Feedback, which has been running examples of nominative determinism for years: see their website www.newscientist.com

                            The first woman to compete in the Nez Perce County Fair hog-calling contest, in which competitors squeal, oink and generally carry on like pigs, was called Jolee Bacon. Only in the USA ...

                            [And not strictly nominative determinism, but sort of relevant] Larry Curley writes to say that his sister married a guy called Short.

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                            • Bax-of-Delights
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 745

                              #15
                              My dentist who is delightfully non-PC is quite aptly named Dr Pulley.

                              And I recall an advert sign in my mother's sub post office for local undertakers in Croydon: Ovenden.
                              I kid you not.
                              O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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