No Association Whatsoever Thread

[Serial_Apologist]

I think we may well be, but I was rather concerned at what seemed to be elements of the old "not for the likes of them". However, taking your example, if a first encounter with an unknown piece of music proves difficult there is perhaps a case for some explanation beforehand to increase the chance that it will be heard all through, or at least given more of a chance. I didn't hear the R4 item so I don't know the approach or at what level the content was pitched, but I don't think the idea is wrong in itself. But as with other examples that have been on R4, why not on R3, if it's supposed to be the home of such music? Not least as having something rather more related to the broadcast content than the chat show style content-lite material that's being foisted on us now would be an improvement.

If I get smittims' drift correctly, I gather what he is criticising is the story aspect of Radio 3 presentation these days leaving little room for helpful explanation of the music for the newcomer.

[smittims]

Thanks, S-A. I now wonder if the programme was originally intended for Radio 3 and maybe rejected. They haven't played much Schoenberg lately, so it might be embarrassing for Sam to air a programme asking why!

[oddoneout]

If I get smittims' drift correctly, I gather what he is criticising is the story aspect of Radio 3 presentation these days leaving little room for helpful explanation of the music for the newcomer.

The infantilising of factual content has become the norm across the board these days. There seems to be an assumption that viewers and listeners are unable to cope with straight explanations by people who know what they are talking about, it all has to go through the dumbing-down gimmick factory. Makes you wonder why David Attenborough is so popular.
I wouldn't mind the story approach if it was done well, but they can't even seem to get that right, so the result is a directionless mass of bits and pieces, rather than a narrative with useful and interesting bits of information along the way. Music Map has been the latest disappointment - a halfway good idea wrecked by going through the tickbox maze so often it seems to have lost its way.

[smittims]

Schoenberg is to be Composer of the Week next week (also presented by Kate Molleson), so I think I can now see why this programme is on Radio 4; it's a 'taster' to draw listeners across. In the early days of the Third, there were proposals to link programmes on the Home, Light and Third programmes in this way. I don't know how far they progressed.

[Nick Armstrong]

Nest Tuesday (Sept 3), on Radio 4!

1600 hrs - Serial Offender: Arnold Schoenberg's Twelve Tone Adventure
Kate Molleson explores the work of Arnold Schoenberg, creator of the 12-tone system, and asks why his complex music is not performed as regularly as other composers' works. With contributions from music critic Paul Morley, academics Laura Tunbridge and Jonathan Cross, and the New Yorker's classical music critic, Alex Ross.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0022kng

Why not on Radio 3? …

Likewise, on Radio 4 this morning:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0022ksj?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

It’s a black mark for R3 that there’s no room in its chit-chatty, simpering weekday schedules for a programme like this, it seems to me…

[Serial_Apologist]

Schoenberg is to be Composer of the Week next week (also presented by Kate Molleson), so I think I can now see why this programme is on Radio 4; it's a 'taster' to draw listeners across. In the early days of the Third, there were proposals to link programmes on the Home, Light and Third programmes in this way. I don't know how far they progressed.

Clearly not very far from the evidence, but thanks for this advance notice smittims - I'll try & remember to flag it up on the COTW sub-forum later this week.

[Serial_Apologist]

Likewise, on Radio 4 this morning:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0022ksj?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

It’s a black mark for R3 that there’s no room in its chit-chatty, simpering weekday schedules for a programme like this, it seems to me…

Quite, it's like an equivalent to a local council advertising a local heritage walk and ending up at the waste recycling centre.

[LMcD]

Quite, it's like an equivalent to a local council advertising a local heritage walk and ending up at the waste recycling centre.

Perhaps the idea is to lure Radio 4 listeners to Radio 3.

[Serial_Apologist]

Perhaps the idea is to lure Radio 4 listeners to Radio 3.

Ooh I'm sure that's well possible, LMcD!

[oddoneout]

Perhaps the idea is to lure Radio 4 listeners to Radio 3.

Well they'll be disappointed if they expect more of the same.

[french frank]

Perhaps the idea is to lure Radio 4 listeners to Radio 3.

On mumsnet they talk of nothing else.

[Serial_Apologist]

"We may not like the lyrics of Land of Hope and Glory but there's no denying it's a banging tune, says Katie Derham".

Viewpoint headline in next week's Radio Times.

It wouldn't be one of mine is all I can to say.

[smittims]

I wonder if even she knows what she means by 'banging'. It's a symptom of how low Radio 3 has sunk that Elgar's music can be spoken of like this . It's useless to blame Katie Derham. She 'is what she is' and this is but a sample of the silly and ignorant things she has said over the years. I'm sure she thinks she's doing what she was asked to do and it might be more appropriate on another channel. My quarrel is with those who pay her so much of our money to talk such rubbish.

[Serial_Apologist]

I wonder if even she knows what she means by 'banging'. It's a symptom of how low Radio 3 has sunk that Elgar's music can be spoken of like this . It's useless to blame Katie Derham. She 'is what she is' and this is but a sample of the silly and ignorant things she has said over the years. I'm sure she thinks she's doing what she was asked to do and it might be more appropriate on another channel. My quarrel is with those who pay her so much of our money to talk such rubbish.

I would think her to be worldly enough to know perfectly well that the word has another, vulgar meaning.

[Old Grumpy]

I wonder if even she knows what she means by banging

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