The Flying Apostrophe

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  • Don Petter

    #61
    Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
    There is a convention (rule if you like) here. If the thing you're talking about is shared by two people that are regarded as one entity, you only need one apostrophe (Gilbert and Sullivan's operas). So I think Margaret and David's house is OK. Only if the two protagonists are clearly separate need you use two apostrophes (the DOT's and the Department of Education's budgets).
    Whoa! Pedants unite! I thought you could only have one protagonist?

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    • jean
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7100

      #62
      Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View Post
      ...Does anybody have an idea whether or not the words were actually spoken in full, or if they were spoken isn't/shouldn't/don't but were written out because that was the literary convention?
      We can't know, but the convention of not writing the abbreviated versions of could've, would've and so on is only just being broken - in the meantime, could of and would of are taking hold!

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      • Beef Oven!
        Ex-member
        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        #63
        Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
        Either is correct.
        Ee-ther or Eye-ther? I go for the latter.

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        • ahinton
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 16123

          #64
          Originally posted by alycidon View Post
          and what about this........................

          'we are going to Margaret and David's house for dinner'

          should be, in reality....

          'we are going to Margaret's and David's house for dinner'

          but the latter, although correct, does seem rather clumsy. But I always apostrophise both names.
          But would the correctness or othewise of that not depend to some extent upon whether the house in which Margaret and David live is solely owned by either one of them or whether jointly owned? and, for that matter, if the latter, whether that ownership is on a joint tenants or tenants-in-common basis?

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          • Pabmusic
            Full Member
            • May 2011
            • 5537

            #65
            Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
            Ee-ther or Eye-ther? I go for the latter.
            So do I. Obvious, isn't it?

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            • ahinton
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 16123

              #66
              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              Ee-ther or Eye-ther? I go for the latter.
              We've already had potatoes and tomatoes (though not yet potaytoes or tomaytoes), so let's Carl the whole thing Orff...

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                #67
                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                But would the correctness or othewise of that not depend to some extent upon whether the house in which Margaret and David live is solely owned by either one of them or whether jointly owned? and, for that matter, if the latter, whether that ownership is on a joint tenants or tenants-in-common basis?
                But sadly true!

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                • Pabmusic
                  Full Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 5537

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Don Petter View Post
                  Whoa! Pedants unite! I thought you could only have one protagonist?
                  Well, once maybe. Suppose I say deuteragonists instead.

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                  • Beef Oven!
                    Ex-member
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 18147

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                    So do I. Obvious, isn't it?
                    Yes, obviously not wanting a ruler whacked around yer head!!

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                    • ahinton
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16123

                      #70
                      Originally posted by mercia View Post
                      Vice-President Dan Quayle
                      An interesting example not least because the plural of quail is neither quail's nor quails (speaking of which, the long-established fraternity between the French and the Scots is neatly illustrated by the French exclamation "o caille!")...

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                      • Pabmusic
                        Full Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 5537

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        Yes, obviously not wanting a ruler whacked around yer head!!
                        Not a blackboard wiper thrown across the room?

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                        • Don Petter

                          #72
                          Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                          We've already had potatoes and tomatoes (though not yet potaytoes or tomaytoes), so let's Carl the whole thing Orff...
                          Is it De Temporem Fine ...

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                          • ahinton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 16123

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            Nuff said!
                            The Sydney Grew approach would be not to abbreviate at all but to use the whole word and replace the apostrophe with a hyphen, viz. "tele-phone", "æro-plane" and "tar-mac" - which is even more bizarre.

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                            • muzzer
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 1196

                              #74
                              In a similar vein is the errant comma. This from an estate agent's brochure - "Now, Bloomsbury Gardens continues this tradition, with a...". I was led to this by a far more absurd subordinate clause on an advert from the same people on the tube that, try as I might, I cannot recall.

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                              • ahinton
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 16123

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                                The mistake that's really annoying me at the moment is "your" instead of "you're".
                                In day's of your, no on would have mistaken "your" for "you're". would he/she?...

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