Lou Reed - 1942-2013

[eighthobstruction]

Influential and interesting artist....always seemed to look down his nose at the world in an ugly and unedifying way; full of self regard without much self criticism....that combined with ego and arrogance plus heroin made me feel a distance from his music....a lot of which is classic rock of course....esp when played with the power that is on Rock n'Roll Animal, and more understatement on other albums....Would you have wanted to be him??....not me....A loss though for sure, though he did the real business 30/40/50 years ago....

[Beef Oven!]

Influential and interesting artist....always seemed to look down his nose at the world in an ugly and unedifying way....that combined with ego and arrogance plus heroin made me feel a distance from his music....a lot of which is classic rock of course....esp when played with the power that is on Rock n'Roll Animal, and more understatement on other albums....Would you have wanted to be him??....not me....A loss though for sure, though he did the real business 20/30/40 years ago....

Rock 'n' Roll Animal was deliberately 'rockist' and unrepresentative (although I bought it and loved it when it came out, and still play it to this day (last week)).

[burning dog]

Sax player Ronnie Ross
Bass player Herbie Flowers (Sky, Clive Dunn, Blue Mink etc.)

[Beef Oven!]

Sax player Ronnie Ross
Bass player Herbie Flowers (Sky, Clive Dunn, Blue Mink etc.)

Flowers was on the Grandad sessions - check out the bootlegged out-takes

[Stephen Whitaker]

Rock 'n' Roll Animal was deliberately 'rockist' and unrepresentative (although I bought it and loved it when it came out, and still play it to this day (last week)).

I was at the Sheffield concert that was the last leg of their European tour before they returned to the States and recorded that album.

It was as apocalypticly wonderful as the finale of Mahler 2.

We queued unsuccessfully for ages to get an autograph after the show.

[Beef Oven!]

I was at the Sheffield concert that was the last leg of their European tour before they returned to the States and recorded that album.

It was as apocalypticly wonderful as the finale of Mahler 2.

We queued unsuccessfully for ages to get an autograph after the show.

Lucky devil!

[Serial_Apologist]

Influential and interesting artist....always seemed to look down his nose at the world in an ugly and unedifying way; full of self regard without much self criticism....that combined with ego and arrogance plus heroin made me feel a distance from his music....a lot of which is classic rock of course....esp when played with the power that is on Rock n'Roll Animal, and more understatement on other albums....Would you have wanted to be him??....not me....A loss though for sure, though he did the real business 30/40/50 years ago....

Thanks for getting him back in proportion, eighth.

[amateur51]

Bob Holness?

Nah, but he DID play James Bond 007 in Moonraker on the radio in South Africa, innit.

Perfect Day represents a special person and time and place for me

[vinteuil]

....always seemed to look down his nose at the world in an ugly and unedifying way; full of self regard without much self criticism....that combined with ego and arrogance plus heroin made me feel a distance from his music....

... if we start feeling 'distant' from a work of art because we find the composer / performer to be Not a Very Nice Person - well, there's a lot of marvellous stuff we'll be missing out on!

[Beef Oven!]

... if we start feeling 'distant' from a work of art because we find the composer / performer to be Not a Very Nice Person - well, there's a lot of marvellous stuff we'll be missing out on!

Well said

[Serial_Apologist]

... if we start feeling 'distant' from a work of art because we find the composer / performer to be Not a Very Nice Person - well, there's a lot of marvellous stuff we'll be missing out on!

Which the commemorative programmes doubtless to be broadcast will draw to my attention, I imagine.

[eighthobstruction]

... if we start feeling 'distant' from a work of art because we find the composer / performer to be Not a Very Nice Person - well, there's a lot of marvellous stuff we'll be missing out on!

Very true.....with out wanting to make a list....I didn't like Francis Bacon or Lucien Freud as people but consider them to be two of the best blobbers of paint of C20....and I've probably listened to Lou Reed as much as any-body-else....I think the subject is more complicated than you briefly make it sound....but it's been covered on Forum many times....I wonder what the converse of statement the statement might produce....I didn't say I didn't look/listen/taste/hear/stick my finger in and wiggle it around....i said i felt distant....(a subjective term)

[teamsaint]

A very difficult area, as 8O suggests.

Why do Ian Curtis and Robert Smith make me feel involved, and Lou Reed and Jim Morrison don't?

Bowie's material is often rather "distancing" and his manner rather cold and detached and yet somehow he still draws people (or at least me) into his world.

[Serial_Apologist]

Very true.....with out wanting to make a list....I didn't like Francis Bacon or Lucien Freud as people but consider them to be two of the best blobbers of paint of C20....and I've probably listened to Lou Reed as much as any-body-else....I think the subject is more complicated than you briefly make it sound....but it's been covered on Forum many times....I wonder what the converse of statement the statement might produce....I didn't say I didn't look/listen/taste/hear/stick my finger in and wiggle it around....i said i felt distant....(a subjective term)

I had all the wrong role models...

[Serial_Apologist]

A very difficult area, as 8O suggests.

Why do Ian Curtis and Robert Smith make me feel involved, and Lou Reed and Jim Morrison don't?

Bowie's material is often rather "distancing" and his manner rather cold and detached and yet somehow he still draws people (or at least me) into his world.

The best thing about self-destructiveness is when it stops being a role model.