Oddly enough you have to type "serial mus" into Google before you get the topic of Serial Music first in the drop-down suggestion box.
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Or just be a Schoenberg fan and follow your nose.Originally posted by burning dog View PostComment
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostThis is getting there..............
You might find this very useful, too:
... as it has the 1931 Tonal harmonization of the melody as well as the dodecaphonic melody itself. On the video, the Twelve-Note set is heard in its "Basic" (or Original) form between 0.33" - 0.45", the Retrograde Inversion between 0.46" - 1'03", the Retrograde between 1'04", and the Inversion when the Violins take over the melody between 1'15" - 1'32" (the end of the melody). The two Inversion versions (
) are Transposed a minor Third down - and there are three occasions when a note is repeated immediately within a phrase, so anyone counting up to twelve without listening will get stuck! Annoying, perhaps, but then Arnie was a "Twelve-note composer", not a "Twelve-note Composer". 
Incidentally, the three repeated notes are B, G and F#, which is a permutation of notes 6, 7 & 8 of the Inversion.
More immediately useful is the characteristic "Arnie's yearning" Iambic rhythmic shape (de-yaa da-daa daa) of the melody, which also appears throughout Verklaerte Nacht, and in Pelleas und Melisande, the Piano Piece BeefO gives, the Piano Concerto, the Second Movement of the Violin Concerto etc.Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 28-10-13, 16:23. Reason: "dEodecaphonic"? No - this is Music that brings me out in a sweat![FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]Comment
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Thanks also for this ....... that's saved me a pile of analysisOriginally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
You might find this very useful, too:
... as it has the 1931 Tonal harmonization of the melody as well as the deodecaphonic melody itself. On the video, the Twelve-Note set is heard in its "Basic" (or Original) form between 0.33" - 0.45", the Retrograde Inversion between 0.46" - 1'03", the Retrograde between 1'04", and the Inversion when the Violins take over the melody between 1'15" - 1'32" (the end of the melody). The two Inversion versions () are Transposed a minor Third down - and there are three occasions when a note is repeated immediately within a phrase, so anyone counting up to twelve without listening will get stuck! Annoying, perhaps, but then Arnie was a "Twelve-note composer", not a "Twelve-note Composer".
Incidentally, the three repeated notes are B, G and F#, which is a permutation of notes 6, 7 & 8 of the Inversion.
More immediately useful is the characteristic "Arnie's yearning" Iambic rhythmic shape (de-yaa da-daa daa) of the melody, which also appears throughout Verklaerte Nacht, and in Pelleas und Melisande, the Piano Piece BeefO gives, the Piano Concerto, the Second Movement of the Violin Concerto etc.
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Triffic post, ferney, many thanksOriginally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
You might find this very useful, too:
... as it has the 1931 Tonal harmonization of the melody as well as the deodecaphonic melody itself. On the video, the Twelve-Note set is heard in its "Basic" (or Original) form between 0.33" - 0.45", the Retrograde Inversion between 0.46" - 1'03", the Retrograde between 1'04", and the Inversion when the Violins take over the melody between 1'15" - 1'32" (the end of the melody). The two Inversion versions () are Transposed a minor Third down - and there are three occasions when a note is repeated immediately within a phrase, so anyone counting up to twelve without listening will get stuck! Annoying, perhaps, but then Arnie was a "Twelve-note composer", not a "Twelve-note Composer".
Incidentally, the three repeated notes are B, G and F#, which is a permutation of notes 6, 7 & 8 of the Inversion.
More immediately useful is the characteristic "Arnie's yearning" Iambic rhythmic shape (de-yaa da-daa daa) of the melody, which also appears throughout Verklaerte Nacht, and in Pelleas und Melisande, the Piano Piece BeefO gives, the Piano Concerto, the Second Movement of the Violin Concerto etc.
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostThanks also for this ....... that's saved me a pile of analysis
If you're really pressed for time, you could just show them this
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It may or may not be relevant that typing "serial mu" brings up serial murderers.Originally posted by burning dog View Post
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That clip's absolutely wonderful, thanks ferney - I've bookmarked it. The only thing he omits to mention is interval inversion/octave displacement; but never mind!Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
If you're really pressed for time, you could just show them this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diYObAZqXiEComment
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Originally posted by ahinton View Post
On the second point, I must confess all serialists sound much the same to my ears, although I do listen occasionally to such music, I can certainly live without it. If forced to choose one, it would have to be Schoenberg I guess. (and by the way, you can't count, I did have 7 other composers)German composer and organist, generally regarded as the most important German composer before Johann Sebastian Bach and often considered to be one of the most important composers of the 17th century along with Claudio Monteverdi.Comment
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... and creator of the Peanutz comic strip?German composer and organist, generally regarded as the most important German composer before Johann Sebastian Bach and often considered to be one of the most important composers of the 17th century along with Claudio Monteverdi ...[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]Comment
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But since serial composition is a method and not a style, you can't always tell whether a piece of music you hear has been composed that way.Originally posted by cheesehoven View PostComment
Thanks, just having breakfast!
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