8 composers you can live without

[ahinton]

PS: Godowski 'doing' Chopin is fun... but the originals come as a blessed relief.

Godowsky, please - but the Chopin do not come as any kind of relief to me. Chopin's originals are not sacrosanct but wonderful beyond belief. Godowsky's commentaries thereon were all written from the basis of a most profound respect for Chopin's originals (his teaching notes and other comments show this). Had Chopin 's études not been of such immense importance, Godowsky would never have spent all the time on them that he did - and how wonderful that a composer/pianist like him - and like Chopin himself - would devote such time and energies to such work!

[MrGongGong]

Loud cheers for this! Thank you very much for your input of great good sense.

[cheesehoven]

Haydn
Holst
Elgar
Vaughan Williams
Delius
Heinrich Schulzt
Palestrina
Any serial composer

[ahinton]

Heinrich Schulzt

Who?

Any serial composer

According to the rules, you can only have eight altogether so, as you've already chosen six plus an as yet unidentified seventh, which of them is it to be? And, while we're about it, what exactly is a "serial composer?

[burning dog]

A serial composer is traditionally defined as a person who has composed three or more works over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the compositions. The motivation for composing is usually based on psychological gratification.

[MrGongGong]

A serial composer is traditionally defined as a person who has composed three or more works over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the compositions. The motivation for composing is usually based on psychological gratification.

I don't like cornflakes so does that exclude me ?

BUT on a more serious note
I'm looking for a short excerpt of Schoenberg instrumental music where you can easily follow the serial processes , any favourite pieces spring to mind ?
It's for a teaching resource for students and secondary school music teachers as well as people interested in music in general so needs to be easily discussed without too much technical language.....

(or is it a cul-de-sac ? .......... I suspect not )

[Pabmusic]

A serial composer is traditionally defined as a person who has composed three or more works over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the compositions. The motivation for composing is usually based on psychological gratification.

Really? And you source for that is...?

[MrGongGong]

Really? And you source for that is...?

You never read Kellog's treatise on Serial processes ?
(I think it was published by Felpersham University Press ? where is Simon when you need an academic opinion ? )

(they do both Sauce and Serials )

[Beef Oven!]

I don't like cornflakes so does that exclude me ?

BUT on a more serious note
I'm looking for a short excerpt of Schoenberg instrumental music where you can easily follow the serial processes , any favourite pieces spring to mind ?
It's for a teaching resource for students and secondary school music teachers as well as people interested in music in general so needs to be easily discussed without too much technical language.....

(or is it a cul-de-sac ? .......... I suspect not )

This is getting there..............

[MrGongGong]

Thanks Beefy
a mixed instrumental piece would be even better as I already have a solo piano one
but this is great stuff

[Pabmusic]

You never read Kellog's treatise on Serial processes ?...

No. And here am I, who have defended serial music for (it seems) all my life as a legitimate, but different, compositional process. Now I discover that it's a scam - a process that either conforms to an arbitrary system or it doesn't qualify. Whats the point of that?

[Beef Oven!]

Thanks Beefy
a mixed instrumental piece would be even better as I already have a solo piano one
but this is great stuff

String Quartet mixed enough?

[teamsaint]

I don't like cornflakes so does that exclude me ?

BUT on a more serious note
I'm looking for a short excerpt of Schoenberg instrumental music where you can easily follow the serial processes , any favourite pieces spring to mind ?
It's for a teaching resource for students and secondary school music teachers as well as people interested in music in general so needs to be easily discussed without too much technical language.....

(or is it a cul-de-sac ? .......... I suspect not )

I managed to follow this one easily enough with my basic knowledge on these bits in post #107

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?7694-Extraordinary-Listening/page11

i know its a a piano piece.

[Beef Oven!]

Wind Quintet any use MrGG?

[MrGongGong]

Wind Quintet any use MrGG?

Perfect and wonderful ...... why didn't I think of this ?

Thanks