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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30808

    #61
    Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
    Everyone's favourite omphaloskeptic and self-styled 'philosophe du jour', Alain Lobotomy, has beaten us to this lark. In this month's Gramophone he states witheringly:

    'Occasionally I feel I must stretch my horizons and have a go at Mozart, but find him too jolly, or Beethoven, but find him too emotional, or Schubert, but find him too limp.'
    Whether the new Gramophone is worth a subscription depends on what that they do to him.

    Has he yet tried even Mozart's Requiem, Beethoven's late string quartets, Schubert's great C Major. Or is he just going on a sort of Rorschach inkblot test based on what the names instinctively mean to him?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Thropplenoggin
      Full Member
      • Mar 2013
      • 1587

      #62
      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Whether the new Gramophone is worth a subscription depends on what that they do to him.

      Has he yet tried even Mozart's Requiem, Beethoven's late string quartets, Schubert's great C Major. Or is he just going on a sort of Rorschach inkblot test based on what the names instinctively mean to him?
      It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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      • Sir Velo
        Full Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 3306

        #63
        Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
        Flabbergasted that no one has mentioned Queldryk so far.

        Everyone's favourite omphaloskeptic and self-styled 'philosophe du jour', Alain Lobotomy, has beaten us to this lark. In this month's Gramophone he states witheringly:

        'Occasionally I feel I must stretch my horizons and have a go at Mozart, but find him too jolly, or Beethoven, but find him too emotional, or Schubert, but find him too limp.'



        Where to start with critique as profound as this?
        Ah, is that the Armando Ianucci/David Mellor/Simon Russell Beale "I-know-sodall-aboutclassicalmusic but that doesn't stop me having an opinion" slot?

        Now I remember why I haven't been buying Gramophone lately.

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        • jean
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 7100

          #64
          Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
          Flabbergasted that no one has mentioned Queldryk so far.
          Thank you for reminding me!

          His Gloria is the first piece on my Hilliard Ensemble's Virgin disc of music from the Old Hall MS.

          I've just played it, and I would like to say what a splendid piece it is - I'd like to but I can't really, because it's one of those perfunctory Mass movements that gobbles up the whole text in 2'20".

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          • Suffolkcoastal
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3299

            #65
            I've got more than 8 and that was much easier.

            Mahler
            Poulenc
            Bellini
            Vivaldi
            G Lloyd (sorry British music lovers)
            Birtwistle
            Turnage
            Nyman
            Einaudi
            K Jenkins
            Piazzola
            Whiteacre
            Rutter
            J Strauss II
            A Lloyd Webber (but he doesn't really count as a composer just a pathetic joke)

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26628

              #66
              Originally posted by Thropplenoggin View Post
              Where to start with critique as profound as this?
              I recommend a large bucket and plenty of industrial strength absorbent paper roll to deal with collateral splash damage.

              A favourite with emetic fans, old Alan
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Thropplenoggin
                Full Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 1587

                #67
                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                I recommend a large bucket and plenty of industrial strength absorbent paper roll to deal with collateral splash damage.

                A favourite with emetic fans, old Alan

                It loved to happen. -- Marcus Aurelius

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                  I found this much easier than my 8 favourites!
                  Crumbs, no! There are dozens of composers I wouldn't wish to be without, but the list of those to whose Music I'm indifferent, combined with those that I actively dislike, dwarfs it. And then there are the composers I've never heard of - obviously I can (and have) lived without them for decades, but does that mean I wouldn't love it if I ever encountered it?

                  I recently acquired a score of Qarrtsiluni by Knudage Riisager, of whom I had never previously heard (Roehre?): it's available on a youTube clip:



                  ... as the first orchestral work by a talented student, it isn't bad. As it is the work of a mature professional, however, it is!
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26628

                    #69
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    There are dozens of composers I wouldn't wish to be without, but the list of those to whose Music I'm indifferent, combined with those that I actively dislike, dwarfs it.
                    ... Doesn't that mean you agree with Petrushka?
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • ahinton
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16123

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Suffolkcoastal View Post
                      I've got more than 8 and that was much easier.

                      Mahler
                      Shame upon thee!

                      Originally posted by Suffolkcoastal View Post
                      J Strauss II
                      Yet more shame upon thee!!

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                        ... Doesn't that mean you agree with Petrushka?
                        No; I can't limit either list to eight, but there's such a vaster choice in the "can live without" category that it's even more difficult to select eight from that list than it is from the shorter one of "can't live without".



                        I should point out that this made sense when I wrote it.
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • teamsaint
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25294

                          #72
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          No; I can't limit either list to eight, but there's such a vaster choice in the "can live without" category that it's even more difficult to select eight from that list than it is from the shorter one of "can't live without".



                          I should point out that this made sense when I wrote it.
                          have you ever worked for the Lib Dems at all, Ferney?

                          incidentally, I have thought it might interesting to discuss which well known composer has the most disproportionately high reputation compared to their body of work.

                          Does that make sense? possibly not.
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • jean
                            Late member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7100

                            #73
                            You know what you can live without, except in cases that fit the category of unknown unknowns.

                            But you can't possibly know what you can't live without until and unless you are dead.

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              #74
                              Originally posted by jean View Post
                              But you can't possibly know what you can't live without until and unless you are dead.
                              I doubt that I could possibly "know" anything then!

                              [EDIT: looking at this, why do I suddenly get a craving for a bar of chocolate?]
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                                Gone fishin'
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 30163

                                #75
                                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                                have you ever worked for the Lib Dems at all, Ferney?
                                As we're friends, Mr Saint, I shall pretend that such a suggestion has not been made.
                                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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