8 composers you can live without

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  • Quarky
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 2682

    May be consultation with Dr. Oliver Sacks might be in order?:

    "While humans routinely enjoy music, the book emphasizes unusual events and neurological patients, in short, departures from the norm. Sacks—himself a lover of music—reports on his own experiences with hallucinatory music and anhedonia (loss of pleasure) in hearing music. He describes going to hear the great baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau but finding that he could not, on that day, perceive the beauty of the music. Another condition “amusia,” or loss of musical ability, can be chronic, acquired, or temporary.

    Some patients have had injuries or diseases of the brain that change how music is perceived. A man hit by lightning is suddenly obsessed with piano music. Another man (who survived a brain infection) has amnesia about many things but can still make and conduct music at a professional level. The concert pianist Leon Fleisher visits Sacks to discuss his dystonia, or loss of muscle function in one hand (with implications for the brain). Rolfing and Botox helped him heal and he returned to two-handed performances.

    Sacks discusses other phenomena that involve brain structures, for example, perfect pitch; persons with this ability have “exaggerated asymmetry between the volumes of the right and left planum temporale” (128). People who experience synesthesia (perceiving notes as colors) have cross activation of neurons in different areas of the brain. Professional musicians (and patients with Tourette’s) demonstrate cortical plasticity, that is they have expanded areas of the brain for particular uses. Children with Williams syndrome have brains influenced by a microdeletion of genes on one chromosome; they have some cognitive deficits and also a great responsiveness to music. For some conditions, the brain determines all; for others, behavior components are also important."

    Musicophilia: Tales of Music and the Brain

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    • Richard Barrett

      Originally posted by Oddball View Post
      May be consultation with Dr. Oliver Sacks might be in order?
      I like that book a lot but might I ask what relevance it has to this subject?

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      • MrGongGong
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        Originally posted by Oddball View Post
        Musicophilia: Tales of Music and the Brain
        Is an interesting book
        BUT

        synesthesia does not mean
        perceiving notes as colours
        It CAN manifest itself in that way but could mean this

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by Oddball View Post
          Another man (who survived a brain infection) has amnesia about many things but can still make and conduct music at a professional level.
          This is what happened to Clive Wearing, the conductor of the London Sinfonietta Voices. A desperately sad story: his wife would return to a his room after only a few minutes' absence and it was as if he hadn't seen her in years - he had to keep written notes to remind him what he'd already done that day, as he couldn't remember things after only a few minutes. Except Music: as soon as he saw a score, he'd remember every detail of it, and could rehearse and conduct a choir in the Mozart Ave Verum Corpus. As soon as he was out of the "Music zone", however, he'd start hiccupping violently and return to the immediate present of things.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Richard Barrett

            I was just looking at "serial composition" in Wikipedia and notice that the list of "notable composers" using this method includes Louis Andriessen, Aaron Copland, Terry Riley and La Monte Young. Is someone having a laugh?

            (Yes, I know Copland wrote a few serial pieces, and I expect the others did too, but it's hardly what they're known for.)

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            • MrGongGong
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
              I was just looking at "serial composition" in Wikipedia and notice that the list of "notable composers" using this method includes Louis Andriessen, Aaron Copland, Terry Riley and La Monte Young. Is someone having a laugh?

              (Yes, I know Copland wrote a few serial pieces, and I expect the others did too, but it's hardly what they're known for.)
              It's part of "our" campaign to get Radio 3 to play everything by La Monte , if it's good enough for Bach

              (B & F#)

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              • teamsaint
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 25293

                you would, wouldn't you Gongers......



                You can whistle 2 notes at once? Now that is clever. !!
                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20586

                  Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                  you would, wouldn't you Gongers......



                  You can whistle 2 notes at once? Now that is clever. !!
                  I've been able to do that for 50 years, and I can whistle an entire tune in 3rds.

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                  • MrGongGong
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    I've been able to do that for 50 years, and I can whistle an entire tune in 3rds.
                    Can you do "Walk on the wild side" ? (just the bassline will do)

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                    • teamsaint
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 25293

                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      Can you do "Walk on the wild side" ? (just the bassline will do)
                      or the start of "Purple Haze"?
                      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                      • Richard Barrett

                        Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                        (B & F#)
                        I can name that tune. In fact I once performed it, in Belgium in 2002.

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                        • MrGongGong
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 18357

                          Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                          I can name that tune. In fact I once performed it, in Belgium in 2002.
                          You seem to have skipped the second half by only playing the short version.

                          Lightweight surely you should be there now still playing ?
                          (I'm only at bar 2 )

                          (Westmalle Trippel)

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                          • Richard Barrett

                            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                            Lightweight
                            Well it seemed like a long time.

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                            • Richard Barrett

                              On topic, a composer I can definitely do without is Franz Liszt. I quite like his Paganini and Schubert arrangements but when he doesn't have someone else's melodic imagination to fall back on he really seems to struggle (unsuccessfully) to come up with anything memorable. Maybe the serial method could have been his salvation if it had been invented in time.

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                              • Beef Oven!
                                Ex-member
                                • Sep 2013
                                • 18147

                                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                                On topic, a composer I can definitely do without is Franz Liszt. I quite like his Paganini and Schubert arrangements but when he doesn't have someone else's melodic imagination to fall back on he really seems to struggle (unsuccessfully) to come up with anything memorable. Maybe the serial method could have been his salvation if it had been invented in time.
                                But do you like listening to his music? I know I do.

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