The Ashes 2013

[Nick Armstrong]

but as a competition with a prize we wouldn't have "won" either - a neutral country ( Albania ? ) should look after the Ashes until they are "won"

stupid game

[mercia]

I do understand really, but I'll put it another way

if we win tests 4 or 5 (or both) we will have "won" the series (yes ?), so is there an extra "prize" for doing that ? or will we simply have won the Ashes in addition to retaining them ?


oh dear, if tests 4 and 5 were drawn, would we have "won" the series 2-0 ?

[hedgehog]

I do understand really, but I'll put it another way

if we win tests 4 or 5 (or both) we will have "won" the series (yes ?), so is there an extra "prize" for doing that ? or will we simply have won the Ashes in addition to retaining them ?


oh dear, if tests 4 and 5 were drawn, would we have "won" the series 2-0 ?

Yes mercia, moral victories!

Well back to "see who can slump the farthest' cricket again. Lyon bowled well, but England's bowlers can do as well, we shall see.

[Pabmusic]

I do understand really, but I'll put it another way

if we win tests 4 or 5 (or both) we will have "won" the series (yes ?), so is there an extra "prize" for doing that ? or will we simply have won the Ashes in addition to retaining them ?


oh dear, if tests 4 and 5 were drawn, would we have "won" the series 2-0 ?

Perhaps it is easiest to separate the ashes from the series. We might yet win the series, or it could be drawn if the Aussies win the next two matches. In either event we will have retained the ashes. 'Winning' the ashes was never an option for us, because we had them anyway. Only the Aussies could have 'won' the ashes this series (as they could next series, too).

If they do do win them next series, we'll get a chance to win them back in the one after that.

[mercia]

thanks Pab. I do understand (honestly). I'm not very bright. I seem to be obsessed with what does or does not get presented [in terms of "cup" or "prize"] at the end of the fifth test. A drawn series - nothing. A won series - nothing. Medals to all for taking part.

[Pabmusic]

thanks Pab. I do understand (honestly). I'm not very bright. I seem to be obsessed with what does or does not get presented [in terms of "cup" or "prize"] at the end of the fifth test. A drawn series - nothing. A won series - nothing. Medals to all for taking part.

I don't know the answer to that, but (in general) the Ashes aren't really presented beyond being brought out for a photo sometimes - they're kept at Lord's. I think they were taken to Australia at least once for a special series, though, and brought back again (?Ashes Centenary).

[mercia]

yes, well the Ashes wouldn't need to be presented because nobody would have won them (as we've established). I shall stop now. I'm really beginning to annoy myself.

[Pabmusic]

yes, well the Ashes wouldn't need to be presented because nobody would have won them (as we've established). I shall stop now. I'm really beginning to annoy myself.

You're certainly not annoying me, but the system is very (what shall I say) ... Victorian public school.

[antongould]

I could go to Google but they are not such nice chaps!

Is this the most northerly Ashes Test ever played?

Very nice morning here a mile from the wicket but it could swing a little....

[amateur51]

No-one has mentioned the possibility of a tied result

I'll get my coat

[amateur51]

Oooh Broad's taken three, Australia 30 mins before lunch are 49-3, Michael Clarke the latest out to a brilliant catch (apparently) by Cook.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/87722

[amateur51]

Oooh Broad's taken three, Australia 30 mins before lunch are 49-3, Michael Clarke the latest out to a brilliant catch (apparently) by Cook.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/87722

Australia 148-4 at tea, still 90 runs behind.

Even Trott's bowling

[hedgehog]

A few dropped catches and reprieve for Rogers, a bit of luck going Australia's way, England may lose out on this one, it should be a result, looking t the weather forecast. Maybe they an make a big score in the 2nd innings though? The wicket does look very flat at the moment. Perhaps it'll be a bit more lively in the morning.

[Sir Velo]

Bizarre that England's match winner, Stuart Broad, is still routinely called "Chris" by commentators and fans alike. Ditto, Chris "Tim" Tremlett. It can't just be that their fathers were recent players as I can't recall ever hearing Jonny Bairstow called "David" or Nick Compton "Denis"; nor that their fathers were more eminent for, as the crowd chanted: "He's big; he's bad; He's better than his Dad; Stuart Broad; Stuart Broad!"

Going back a generation or two, I don't recall any commentator call Shaun Pollock "Peter", or even "Graham"; Alec Stewart, was never to my memory apostrophised as "Micky" and neither Graham or Chris Cowdrey was ever accorded the distinction of being referred to as "Colin"; ditto Richard and Len Hutton.

Ho hum. One of life's little mysteries!

[amateur51]

Bizarre that England's match winner, Stuart Broad, is still routinely called "Chris" by commentators and fans alike. Ditto, Chris "Tim" Tremlett. It can't just be that their fathers were recent players as I can't recall ever hearing Jonny Bairstow called "David" or Nick Compton "Denis"; nor that their fathers were more eminent for, as the crowd chanted: "He's big; he's bad; He's better than his Dad; Stuart Broad; Stuart Broad!"

Going back a generation or two, I don't recall any commentator call Shaun Pollock "Peter", or even "Graham"; Alec Stewart, was never to my memory apostrophised as "Micky" and neither Graham or Chris Cowdrey was ever accorded the distinction of being referred to as "Colin"; ditto Richard and Len Hutton.

Ho hum. One of life's little mysteries!

Oooh don't you go on, and so inconsequentially!

An extraordinary win for England, completely against the tide at one point, Stuart Broad producing high class fast (90 mph) bowling that proved to be irresistible by the Australia. Bell's second innings performance was crucial too but Broad's bowling in both innings resulted in his being Man of the Match.

England have now won the Ashes series and they go to the Oval to finish the series - come on Cook and Root, let's see a huge opening stand for England to throw down the gauntlet for the return Winter series in Australia

There again, perhaps the Australian bowlers and Clarke and Warner may return the favour

Test cricket at its best