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  • Sir Velo
    Full Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 3288

    #61
    Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
    Michael Vaughan is a quite brilliant summariser - not only is he witty and amusing especially when he is on with Blowers - how superb he was as a captain endlessly comes over .His analysis so perceptive . I remember last year he made a criticism of the field positions said exactly how he would have placed it and pronto the batsman hit the ball thick edged straight down the throat of where the fielder would have been .

    Tuffers is great , Maxwell is a class act, Blowers an old endearing duffer.

    Agnew is an insufferable pompous self-righteous ass , Vic Marks a buffoon - Simon Mann is second rate ( how CMJ is missed ) and Boycott a joke .
    I wish someone would tell Maxwell that when giving the score in England it's runs before wickets., and yes, I know he's Australian, but when in Rome etc...

    Actually, it's good to have some balance on commentary but Maxwell got well and truly flummoxed by the DRS, rather letting his partisanship get in the way of his understanding of the system. For example, firstly he criticised Dar for not giving Broad out partly on the basis that as England had two reviews remaining, they would have challenged the decision had Broad somehow failed to nick the ball. However, this would have been contrary to the laws of the game which stipulate that an umpire should give the correct decision in his opinion. Moreover, had the decision been wrong, Dar would have been marked down under the ICC's scoring of umpires.

    His next DRS howler was when Smith was given out lbw on a ball which pitched just in line with leg stump. "How can that be given out?" he whined, "only half the ball's in line with the stumps. If that was the wicket it would be umpire's call and he would be not out!" What escaped Maxwell was that Hawkeye is an objective replay of the delivery, and only predictive after the point when the ball hits the batsman's pad. Therefore, the fact that only half the ball pitched in line was clear evidence of what had happened and not predictive.

    My own preference for commentators: Agnew; Blofield (though verges on self parody); Ed Smith. Among the summarisers: Vaughan; Marks.

    Mann too often misses the joke and has little rapport with his summarisers, Tuffers concentrates too much on being blokish and Boycott should have been put out to grass years ago. Still, streets ahead of Sky though.
    Last edited by Sir Velo; 15-07-13, 10:38. Reason: schoolboy error

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    • amateur51

      #62
      Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
      I wish someone would tell Maxwell that when giving the score in England it's runs before wickets., and yes, I know he's Australian, but when in Rome etc...

      Actually, it's good to have some balance on commentary but Maxwell got well and truly flummoxed by the DRS, rather letting his partisanship get in the way of his understanding of the system. For example, firstly he criticised Dar for not giving Broad out partly on the basis that as England had two reviews remaining, they would have challenged the decision had Broad somehow failed to nick the ball. However, this would have been contrary to the rules of the game which stipulate that an umpire should give the correct decision in his opinion. Moreover, had the decision been wrong, Dar would have been marked down under the ICC's scoring of umpires.

      His next DRS howler was when Smith was given out lbw on a ball which pitched just in line with leg stump. "How can that be given out?" he whined, "only half the ball's in line with the stumps. If that was the wicket it would be umpire's call and he would be not out!" What escaped Maxwell was that Hawkeye is an objective replay of the delivery, and only predictive after the point when the ball hits the batsman's pad. Therefore, the fact that only half the ball pitched in line was clear evidence of what had happened and not predictive.

      My own preference for commentators: Agnew; Blofield (though verges on self parody); Ed Smith. Among the summarisers: Vaughan; Marks.

      Mann too often misses the joke and has little rapport with his summarisers, Tuffers concentrates too much on being blokish and Boycott should have been put out to grass years ago. Still, streets ahead of Sky though.
      A nice summary, Sir Velo. Glenn McGrath attempted the orthodox score at one point but then gave up with "I'm Australian and that's how we do it". I really don't mind as long as they keep giving the score.

      You've identified for me why I don't rate Simon Mann - lack of humour. Tuffers' blokishness is, I think, genuine as is Blowers' toffishness. I love Sir Geoffrey because his double act with Aggers is a classic and cricket is his whole life - when he gets on his high horse he can be irritating but then he is from Yorkshire so it could be far worse

      What a great series in prospect now - this one'll run & run to the Oval

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      • eighthobstruction
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 6474

        #63
        If only Boycott and Blowers would be made to listen to their own repetitions upon repetition....(in Boycotts case, often three or four times within a sentence....)....Though none of them gives as good ball by ball commentary as does Blowers when on top form, and excitement at an incident.....there is definitely nothing wrong with his watching skills....(excepting identifying players)
        bong ching

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        • Barbirollians
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 11900

          #64
          One of the reasons I dislike Agnew and Marks , though the latter to a lesser extent , is how they commentate about Monty Panesar - there is an unpleasant patronising old colonial streak to it which borders on racist - though I am sure it is not in the slightest bit intentional . Though it was great to hear Monty shut them both up in style in India last winter.

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          • aka Calum Da Jazbo
            Late member
            • Nov 2010
            • 9173

            #65
            well TMS is still one of the very best things on steam radio by several country miles ... warts and all .... we shall be spoilt this summer
            According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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            • anotherbob
              Full Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 1172

              #66
              It's after the game, in the car park. Darren Lehmann says to Stuart Broad "Do you need a lift mate?"
              Broad replies "No thanks Daz. I think I'll walk."
              (Not my own)

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              • eighthobstruction
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 6474

                #67
                Michael Clarkes averages :


                NOT AS CAPTAIN
                Tests: 68
                Runs: 4,697
                Centuries: 14
                Average: 46.97
                AS CAPTAIN
                Tests: 25
                Runs: 2,601
                Centuries: 9
                Average: 63.43

                A look at how Australia's skipper has gone from brash upstart to become one of the great leaders in world cricket
                bong ching

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                • Belgrove
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 960

                  #68
                  Thanks for that eigthobstruction. Impressive figures aren't they? On drilling down into them, only two centuries have been scored in England, at Lord's and Edgbaston both in 2009 when Ponting was captain.

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                  • amateur51

                    #69
                    Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                    Michael Clarkes averages :


                    NOT AS CAPTAIN
                    Tests: 68
                    Runs: 4,697
                    Centuries: 14
                    Average: 46.97
                    AS CAPTAIN
                    Tests: 25
                    Runs: 2,601
                    Centuries: 9
                    Average: 63.43

                    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23294942
                    What a strangely incomplete set of stats, viz: home or away? against whom? match result? series result?

                    His brilliant quoted seemed to be played at home except for three matches in West Indies when, surprise surprise, he didn't do so well

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                    • gingerjon
                      Full Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 165

                      #70
                      A good piece by the rather wonderful Andy Zaltzmann about this incredible Test.

                      And it starts again tomorrow ...
                      The best music is the music that persuades us there is no other music in the world-- Alex Ross

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                      • hedgehog

                        #71
                        What I would dearly love is for some talented forum member to come up with a wonderful palindrome containing agar and raga

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                        • eighthobstruction
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 6474

                          #72
                          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                          What I would dearly love is for some talented forum member to come up with a wonderful palindrome containing agar and raga
                          For true authenticity you may have to wait for Oz to play some Tests in India....
                          bong ching

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                          • gurnemanz
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7451

                            #73
                            It seems that Lords have now also banned Billy the Trumpeter. Welcome news for some. I would let him in ... and his trumpet.

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                            • amateur51

                              #74
                              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                              It seems that Lords have now also banned Billy the Trumpeter. Welcome news for some. I would let him in ... and his trumpet.
                              This man travels the world, presumably at his own expense, providing a musical accompaniment to England's Test Cricket tours. He raises the spirits of the Barmy Army and creates at atmosphere of jollity and carnival. I've heard people on Test Match Special remarking on his being quiet and then being really bucked when he pips up, saying how much it raises the team's spirits too.

                              I think cricket administrators are losing sight of the grass-roots (by which I mean non-corporate) support. The price of Test Match tickets, the restrictions on what you an take into the ground as a spectator in terms of food and drink, all combine to make Test Cricket feel like a bit of a rip-off I'd imagine.

                              Let the fellow in - and if they don't, if I knew how, I'd start and e-petition demanding that they lighten up & let him in.

                              Spoilsports

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                              • amateur51

                                #75
                                Lovely morning at Lord's for the start of the Second Test I'd imagine - I'm about 5 stops further out on the Jubilee line.

                                England have dropped Finn in favour of Bresnan. Finn has a good bowling record in Test matches at Lord's but I guess they don't want to risk him after Trent Bridge. Bresnan does not have Finn's natural physical advantage of extreme height but he'll bowl all day for you if needs be and can be useful with the bat.

                                Australia made two changes to their team with Usman Khawaja and Ryan Harris replacing Ed Cowan and Mitchell Starc. Captain Michael Clarke will move down one position in the batting order to number five, with Phil Hughes climbing from six to four.

                                Cook and Root have gone already lbw to Watson and Harris respectively and it's 26-2 in the fifth over.

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