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  • amateur51

    Originally posted by aeolium View Post
    As well as the Celtic European Cup triumph in 1967 which has been mentioned, what about Douglas Jardine captaining a team that won the Ashes 4-1 in Australia against a team that contained Bradman, the best batsman in history? OK, Jardine was born in India but of Scottish parents, and was educated partly in Scotland, and it's still some achievement.
    I agree about Jardine, aeolium but I have found that many a Scot is wont to disown him on account of his Bodyline series reputation for apparently unsporting ruthlessness.

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    • scottycelt

      Originally posted by aeolium View Post
      As well as the Celtic European Cup triumph in 1967 which has been mentioned, what about Douglas Jardine captaining a team that won the Ashes 4-1 in Australia against a team that contained Bradman, the best batsman in history? OK, Jardine was born in India but of Scottish parents, and was educated partly in Scotland, and it's still some achievement.
      Hmmmm, I don't know many Scots who have even heard of Jardine. What proper Scot would even dream of playing for England at anything?

      Now that I've mentioned it I think there was one Scot who actually captained England at cricket in my own lifetime but I can't even remember his name.

      Whilst these days we'll claim a tiddlywinks champion with a Scottish granny, cricket is of broadly similar popular interest north of the border as curling is to the south.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30817

        Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
        Now that I've mentioned it I think there was one Scot who actually captained England at cricket in my own lifetime but I can't even remember his name.
        Mike Denness played for England. Did he captain the team too?
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • antongould
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8872

          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          Mike Denness played for England. Did he captain the team too?
          He did indeed but ran into Lilee and Thomson....

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          • scottycelt

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            Mike Denness played for England. Did he captain the team too?
            Yes, that's the poor laddie ... !!

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            • aeolium
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              • Nov 2010
              • 3992

              Well, Jardine is certainly well regarded south of the border, as is a former great rugby player and coach for Scotland and the Lions, Ian McGeechan.

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              • antongould
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 8872

                To move far too far off topic -one thing has always interested me - living until my late twenties very close to the Scottish border, I played lots of football and cricket against Scottish teams. It seemed to me that whilst we in England would usually support Scotland in any international competition if England were eliminated - very few Scots would support England if the roles were reversed.......

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                • Beef Oven

                  Originally posted by antongould View Post
                  To move far too far off topic -one thing has always interested me - living until my late twenties very close to the Scottish border, I played lots of football and cricket against Scottish teams. It seemed to me that whilst we in England would usually support Scotland in any international competition if England were eliminated - very few Scots would support England if the roles were reversed.......
                  Yes, it's a recognisable phenomenon.

                  I always support Scotland, Wales and the Irelands, to the same extent that I support England.

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                  • scottycelt

                    Originally posted by antongould View Post
                    To move far too far off topic -one thing has always interested me - living until my late twenties very close to the Scottish border, I played lots of football and cricket against Scottish teams. It seemed to me that whilst we in England would usually support Scotland in any international competition if England were eliminated - very few Scots would support England if the roles were reversed.......
                    Oh come on ... I've never met an Englishman or woman yet who has excitedly sat in front of a TV yelling their support for any other home country once England has been knocked out of a competition. (admittedly these occasions are few and far between!)

                    I remember the Scottish World Cup campaigns in the 1970's only too well when my English friends (whose country hadn't even qualified) taunted me incessantly for weeks after the Scots were knocked out. No complaints from me, that's just what I expected, and I would have done exactly the same in reverse.

                    We maybe have the advantage that we don't expect to succeed. So maybe sporting disappointment is so much easier to bear?

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                    • antongould
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 8872

                      Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                      Oh come on ... I've never met an Englishman or woman yet who has excitedly sat in front of a TV yelling their support for any other home country once England has been knocked out of a competition. (admittedly these occasions are few and far between!)

                      I remember the Scottish World Cup campaigns in the 1970's only too well when my English friends (whose country hadn't even qualified) taunted me incessantly for weeks after the Scots were knocked out. No complaints from me, that's just what I expected, and I would have done exactly the same in reverse.

                      We maybe have the advantage that we don't expect to succeed. So maybe sporting disappointment is so much easier to bear?
                      Honest Scotty I was really behind Scotland in the 70s and the Archie goal ......magic....

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                      • scottycelt

                        Originally posted by antongould View Post
                        Honest Scotty I was really behind Scotland in the 70s and the Archie goal ......magic....
                        I believe you, anton ... great goal, usual hammering ...

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                        • Mr Pee
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3285

                          Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                          I remember the Scottish World Cup campaigns in the 1970's
                          Scotland's been in the World Cup?

                          Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

                          Mark Twain.

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                          • Zucchini
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 917

                            And I was rooting for the late Jocky Wilson in his World Championship victories over the Crafty Cockney and goody goody John (I only drink halves) Lowe.

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                            • mangerton
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3346

                              Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
                              Scotland's been in the World Cup?

                              Just for that remark, there's this!.

                              Apologies to everyone else, especially fellow Scots, to whom this will bring back painful memories.

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                              • scottycelt

                                Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
                                Scotland's been in the World Cup?

                                Oh yes, Mr Pee, and as one member has already mentioned the great sport of curling (quite innocently, I hasten to add) ...

                                Scotland win in the final of the World Women's Curling Championship in Riga, narrowly beating Sweden 6-5.


                                While the Great Big Lassies keep letting us down at football we can always rely on our Great Wee Lassies coming up trumps ... and they can even manage a smile for the media in the process.

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