Absent Friends & Missing Persons

[doversoul1]

My memory is worse than ever and I cannot remember who it was but a member went into hospital to have a surgery on lung cancer last year. He later posted that all had gone well and he was at home. I hope he has made much improvement since then.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I'm not so sure about that; after all, aren't the twelve tones supposed to be equal to one another?(!)...

No - they are "related only to each other"; it's all kept in the family.

[Richard Tarleton]

My memory is worse than ever and I cannot remember who it was but a member went into hospital to have a surgery on lung cancer last year. He later posted that all had gone well and he was at home. I hope he has made much improvement since then.

Padraig was it not? He seems to be back posting and in good spirits

[kernelbogey]

A useful rule of thumb is that it's OK to disagree with another poster, but not to attack the poster personally. And keep off politics.

Rule of thumb:

Another useful formula: 'When you say X, I feel Y'.

E.g. 'When you say you can't stand Mozart's music I feel profoundly sad.'

I shall now absent myself from the felicity of this thread for a while.

[Padraig]

Originally Posted by doversoul1
My memory is worse than ever and I cannot remember who it was but a member went into hospital to have a surgery on lung cancer last year. He later posted that all had gone well and he was at home. I hope he has made much improvement since then.

Padraig was it not? He seems to be back posting and in good spirits

Indeed it was me, doversole. I feel fine now, thank you. I go for a check up on Thursday and I have no reason to be worried except for the obligatory gulp!

[doversoul1]

Indeed it was me, doversole. I feel fine now, thank you. I go for a check up on Thursday and I have no reason to be worried except for the obligatory gulp!

Very good to hear this. Thank you very much for letting me know.

(and thank you, Richard T.)

[Beef Oven!]

Indeed it was me, doversole. I feel fine now, thank you. I go for a check up on Thursday and I have no reason to be worried except for the obligatory gulp!

[BBMmk2]

Going to the Sussex Eye Hospital tomorrow for a review on the cataract operation I had a few weeks back. I think it should be all well, as I am experiencing no problems, thus far, touch wood! I have to inform my optician for a re-referral for my other eye to be done!

[ahinton]

No - they are "related only to each other"; it's all kept in the family.

Ah; obviously I wasn't paying proper attention in my earliest days as a student of one of Webern's pupils! That said, though, if they are indeed "all kept in the family", I shudder to imagine what happens to any or all of them at Christmastime when, traditionally (or so it seems), disputatious rancour rears itself over the turkey but, whatever it might be, I suspect that it may well give rise to some specious counterpoint!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Ah; obviously I wasn't paying proper attention in my earliest days as a student of one of Webern's pupils!

This is interesting - did Webern "teach" Twelve-Note method to Searle in his lessons? (A contrast with Schoenberg who refused to.)

[ahinton]

This is interesting - did Webern "teach" Twelve-Note method to Searle in his lessons? (A contrast with Schoenberg who refused to.)

I'm not sure about that; Searle and I never discussed this and Searle himself didn't teach me about serial dodecaphony either, probably because he was aware that I'd been through a lot of that before going to him. That said, the Webern pupil to whom I referred en passant was not Searle but someone else from whom I'd had lessons several years earlier and I'm not even sure that his and Searle's paths crossed during their respective tutelage from Webern (in retrospect I really ought to have asked him and cannot now imagine why I didn't!), although I do know that each of them studied with Webern for only quite a short time.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Thank you. It would be fascinating (to me, at any rate) to know if Webern was as protective of the "tricks of the trade" as was Schönberg - and to know if he did think in terms of the notes within a row being "equal". It could lead to a real understanding of the similarities/differences between the two composers' approach(es) to the twelve note method(s).

But basta - whilst all these composers are greatly missed, they were never Forumistas!

[Hornspieler]

I'm not sxure about that; Searle and I never discussed this and Searle himself didn't teach me about serial dodecaphony either, probably because he was aware that I'd been through a lot of that before going to him. That said, the Webern pupil to whom I referred en passant was not Searle but someone else from whom I'd had lessons several years earlier and I'm not even sure that his and Searle's paths crossed during their respective tutelage from Webern (in retrospect I really ought to have asked him and cannot now imagine why I didn't!), although I do know that each of them studied with Webern for only quite a short time.

What on Earth has this post to do with Absent Friends or Missing Persons?

If you want to discuss Searle or Webern then start a thread on "Talking About Music" but don't lose sight of the fact that Salymap's intention (and originally mine in the BBC's forum) was always to enquire about the absence of recent posts from some of our most frequent and well-informed members.

You might just as well rename this thread as "Talk Amongst Yourselves"!

HS

[Richard Barrett]

This is interesting - did Webern "teach" Twelve-Note method to Searle in his lessons? (A contrast with Schoenberg who refused to.)

This is what I found in an article about Searle: "Webern was a thorough and painstaking teacher, and although the lessons were mainly devoted to the traditional disciplines of harmony and counterpoint, he did on occasion analyse his own works with his young student." Of course, the fundamentals of twelve-tone composition can be explained in 15 minutes to someone who knows a bit about music.

[ahinton]

What on Earth has this post to do with Absent Friends or Missing Persons?

If you want to discuss Searle or Webern then start a thread on "Talking About Music" but don't lose sight of the fact that Salymap's intention (and originally mine in the BBC's forum) was always to enquire about the absence of recent posts from some of our most frequent and well-informed members.

You might just as well rename this thread as "Talk Amongst Yourselves"!

HS

Why not ask fhg that question rather than me, since my post which you quote was in response to his on that subject? Whilst of course neither Webern nor either of his two pupils mentioned above were ever Forumistas, they are all at least "missing persons"! I nevertheless take your point about the original intent behind the thread, of course.