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  • DracoM
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    • Mar 2007
    • 12993

    Pendolino

    I have been travelling on these train sets for years, and every year, their inadequacy is mercilessly revealed.

    High density seating to pack 'em in, BUT laughably silly luggage space. The Virgin route connects Glasgow, Carlisle, the Lake District, Preston, Manchester / Manchester Airport, Crewe, Birmingham, and London among other excellent places - ALL of which are either major tourist destinations, climbing etc destinations, or just enormous conurbation destinations, AND major university complexes with beginnings / ends of / plus mid-term mass migrations.

    The passengers on such routes are invariably loaded with big baggage. Invariably the train crew tell us to keep aisles clear. Invariably the between-carriage spaces are packed to danger and impassability by baggage, camping passengers, blocking access to loos, refreshments, ingress and egress. Invariably, the train crew helpfully tell us [ if they can get up and down the train] there are spaces elsewhere which then require mighty climbing skills to get over / round and thus reach said spaces [with your baggage], but arriving there, finding of course nowhere to park anything uty the most trivial baggage in the overhead 'spaces'.

    The profit Virgin must be making is enormous: you pay the same fare if you stand, squat uncomfortably in a corner, very often at the most crowded times the seat reservation system is a total joke, necessitating nasty confrontations with tired and understandably irritated incumbents told to move. Talk to the train crews quietly, and they usually echo your ever discomfort. For them this is the everyday.

    The speed / efficiency of the actual service is fine. BUT the rolling stock is hopelessly, but hopelessly passenger-unfriendly. We travel the lines because we have no real choice, and Virgin must know that, thus no need to make any serious re-design of the stock because the per passenger take is pretty big, and anyway, they may lose the franchise, so what the hell? Cash the take and deafen your ears to the high personal discomfort of their passengers.
  • MrGongGong
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 18357

    #2
    They can't be "Virgin" trains because they are well and truly..........


    (insert word of choice)

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    • Andrew Slater
      Full Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 1798

      #3
      They should have had an opportunity to do something recently, as they have extended many sets now to 11 carriages - how about using one of them as a guard's van?

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      • Mr Pee
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 3285

        #4
        Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
        They can't be "Virgin" trains because they are well and truly..........


        (insert word of choice)
        Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

        Mark Twain.

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37851

          #5
          Speaking of new and innovative train rolling stock, I don't think much of the through-carriages with inward-facing seating on the London Overground. For one thing the speeding up/slowing down between stations plays havoc with maintaining an upright posture; secondly one has to twist right round to get any view of the outside, (one of the pleasant aspects of past rail travel), thereby disturbing adjacent passengers, because the opposite windows are too low to offer much view; thirdly, the open-plan of the entire train renders it impossible to escape the presence/noise of drunken late-nighters these days frequenting every night.

          The extended Overground seemed such an added advantage when first brought in a few years ago.

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          • MrGongGong
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            • Nov 2010
            • 18357

            #6
            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            Speaking of new and innovative train rolling stock, I don't think much of the through-carriages with inward-facing seating on the London Overground.
            I think they are great
            you can easily move through from one place to another and find a seat
            less overcrowding as folks spread out

            I wish there were more like that

            What I DO object to
            is the way that East Coast Trains allows people with children to book seats in the "quiet coach"

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            • teamsaint
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 25231

              #7
              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
              Speaking of new and innovative train rolling stock, I don't think much of the through-carriages with inward-facing seating on the London Overground. For one thing the speeding up/slowing down between stations plays havoc with maintaining an upright posture; secondly one has to twist right round to get any view of the outside, (one of the pleasant aspects of past rail travel), thereby disturbing adjacent passengers, because the opposite windows are too low to offer much view; thirdly, the open-plan of the entire train renders it impossible to escape the presence/noise of drunken late-nighters these days frequenting every night.

              The extended Overground seemed such an added advantage when first brought in a few years ago.
              yup, had my first trip on one of these recently. For beginners, not the easiest route to navigate from timetables, but in reality it works OK.
              BUT
              as you say, the carriages are like a stripped out troop carrier (I imagine) inside. A triumph of portion control over aesthetics, comfort or anything else with human values.
              I can imagine them being less than fun on footy days, or late at night.
              "Work em Hard, Fee 'em Lard, build them a little hutch...."

              as for the OP, perhaps we need a second, high speed, link........
              Last edited by teamsaint; 18-05-13, 13:24.
              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12954

                #8
                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                Speaking of new and innovative train rolling stock, I don't think much of the through-carriages with inward-facing seating on the London Overground.

                :
                They are introducing them on the Circle Line. I like them a lot. Like many Londoners I enjoy being in the right part of the train for a speedy exit. With these trains, if boarding in haste you have not been able to get on to the right carriage which would match the exit, you can now blithely saunter the length of the train as appropriate for your swift getaway...

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                • MrGongGong
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 18357

                  #9
                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                  They are introducing them on the Circle Line. I like them a lot. Like many Londoners I enjoy being in the right part of the train for a speedy exit. With these trains, if boarding in haste you have not been able to get on to the right carriage which would match the exit, you can now blithely saunter the length of the train as appropriate for your swift getaway...


                  Except the "circle line" isn't anymore , is it

                  (Must be terribly confusing to visitors , like the Paris "peripherique" that doesn't go all the way round)

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                  • Beef Oven

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post


                    Except the "circle line" isn't anymore , is it

                    (Must be terribly confusing to visitors , like the Paris "peripherique" that doesn't go all the way round)
                    In the rules of Association Football, you can use your knees. 'Peri' doesn't mean all the way around

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                    • MrGongGong
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 18357

                      #11
                      Oh I see
                      in the same way that "democratic" means
                      you can vote for things apart from the head of state ?



                      (JOKE ..........)

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                      • Frances_iom
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 2418

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                        ...

                        High density seating to pack 'em in, BUT laughably silly luggage space. ....
                        I too am a regular traveller on the West Coast - there is generally enough room for small carryable luggage in the overhead rack but I must admit I'm amazed at the size of some of the barely luggable items that some move around with - my regular trains (which give a connection with boats) are generally only very full on Scottish half terms etc - you can book seats in advance - my own grouse is the poor air conditioning now that the ride has been made considerably better than the nausea inducing setting of the early sets - luckily don't see many children in the quiet coach tho there is a number who think the no mobile phone rule doesn't apply to them.

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                        • vinteuil
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12954

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                          the Paris "peripherique"
                          ... I like the optimism of wiki, which tells us that you can get round the Périphérique in twenty six minutes...




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                          • Beef Oven

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                            Oh I see
                            in the same way that "democratic" means
                            you can vote for things apart from the head of state ?



                            (JOKE ..........)
                            Hands off our Queen

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                            • MrGongGong
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 18357

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Beef Oven View Post
                              Hands off our Queen
                              I thought we had agreed not to discuss the Cardinals ?

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