The triumph of the tom-tom

[Sydney Grew]

This thread is about the appreciation of music - or lack of it - among the coming generation. Among the composers of the new music of the future, that is.

So far not a single person has posted a response "on the intended topic" - instead there has been a) impolite discussion of my vocabulary and b) the usual succession of "wise cracks."

Oh well . . . that's the Radio 3 forum.

[french frank]

This thread is about the appreciation of music - or lack of it - among the coming generation. Among the composers of the new music of the future, that is.

So far not a single person has posted a response "on the intended topic" - instead there has been a) impolite discussion of my vocabulary and b) the usual succession of "wise cracks."

Oh well . . . that's the Radio 3 forum.

I've explained why I don't consider the thread - even as a musical topic - should be on the Hear and Now board, which is for the Radio 3 programme called Hear and Now, or subjects/music that would be dealt with by Hear and Now.

If you could relate your comments to the music composed by today's 'classical' composers the topic might proceed along the lines you require. Otherwise, it seemed more to be about the 'coming generation's liking for contemporary pop music which is not relevant to Radio 3 but might find a place as a discussion topic on Platform 3. Examples of what you refer to would focus any discussion rather more sharply.

[MrGongGong]

This thread is about the appreciation of music - or lack of it - among the coming generation. Among the composers of the new music of the future, that is.

So far not a single person has posted a response "on the intended topic" - instead there has been a) impolite discussion of my vocabulary and b) the usual succession of "wise cracks."

Oh well . . . that's the Radio 3 forum.

But Sid
you haven't given us any real clue as to WHAT music you are directly referring to ?
So without an example it's just a case of trying to guess what's in your head based on the words you write....... so how about a link to some SOUNDS ?

[Bryn]

But Sid
you haven't given us any real clue as to WHAT music you are directly referring to ?
So without an example it's just a case of trying to guess what's in your head based on the words you write....... so how about a link to some SOUNDS ?

Quite. My polite request for examples has brought forth nothing but evasion by our Tasmanian correspondent.

[Padraig]

.... it's just a case of trying to guess what's in your head based on the words you write.......

What an unreasonable expectation!

[An_Inspector_Calls]

Ooh . . ."brought forth nothing" . . . "Tasmanian correspondent" . . . !

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

the OP is not making a point nor asking a question; it is reiterating a point made on a long cycle of some twenty five years; quite remarkably the terminological exactitude of this point has been challenged in similar manner at every appearance for the last three thousand years or so, documentary evidence for earlier occurrences of the cycle in pre-literate societies is, of course, unavailable ...... recent field work with pre literate contemporary hunter gatherer communities in flumen Tamesim in fines estuarial provides instances of the cycle prior to the advent of literacy ... however objections have been raised to extrapolating to the universal from Canvey Island .... yet ....

the metaphoric use of sea change is not confined to the simply meteorological...when Ὀδυσσεύς returned had he not changed?

[Quarky]

Quite so Calum.

Bryn gave me a clue in referring to Tasmania. May be this artist has played a part in Sidney's viewpoint (Voices in the Street)?:

http://www.triplejunearthed.com/tomtom

[vinteuil]

According to the OED, the first example noted was

1948 A. C. Baugh Lit. Hist. Eng. II. ix. 173 An interesting paper suggesting that romance is transplanted epic, which has undergone a kind of sea-change in the passage. [I believe this is the American academic Albert C Baugh]

Before that the quotes did have references to the sea, including one by Ezra Pound.

... coïncidentally, I am currently reading 'The Great Gatsby' [1926]. On the second page of Chapter III there is :

"The lights grow brighter as the earth lurches away from the sun, and now the orchestra is playing yellow cocktail music, and the opera of voices pitches a key higher. Laughter is easier minute by minute, spilled with prodigality, tipped out at a cheerful word. The groups change more swiftly, swell with new arrivals, dissolve and form in the same breath; already there are wanderers, confident girls who weave here and there among the stouter and more stable, become for a sharp, joyous moment the centre of a group, and then, excited with triumph, glide on through the sea-change of faces and voices and colour under the constantly changing light."