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  • aeolium
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3992

    #31
    Originally posted by salymap View Post
    Aboutwhom was it said " His sins were scarlet but his books were read".? I always liked that one.
    And another Belloc one:

    Pale Ebenezer thought it wrong to fight,
    But Roaring Bill (who killed him) thought it right.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 13065

      #32
      Belloc a marvellous source for such.
      And perhaps in tune with the Zeitgeist...



      J

      stands for James, who thought it immaterial
      To pay his taxes, Local or Imperial.
      In vain the Mother wept, the Wife implored,
      James only yawned as though a trifle bored.

      The Tax Collector called again, but he
      Was met with Persiflage and Repartee.
      When James was hauled before the learned Judge,
      Who lectured him, he loudly whispered, "Fudge!"
      The Judge was startled from his usual calm,

      He
      struck the desk before him with his palm,
      And roared in tones to make the boldest quail,

      "J stands for James, it also stands for jail."
      And therefore, on a dark and dreadful day,
      Policemen came and took him all away.

      Moral.

      The fate of James is typical, and shows
      How little mercy people can expect
      Who will not pay their taxes; (saving those
      To which they conscientiously object.)

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      • Tevot
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1011

        #33
        From:- http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_epitaphs.htm

        (I must admit I chickened out of posting the epitaph from Tony Harrison's V ;-)

        A DEAD STATESMAN

        I could not dig: I dared not rob:
        Therefore I lied to please the mob.
        Now all my lies are proved untrue
        And I must face the men I slew.
        What tale shall serve me here among
        Mine angry and defrauded young?

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        • cloughie
          Full Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 22239

          #34
          EPITAPH by KING CRIMSON from my avatar album

          The wall on which the prophets wrote
          Is cracking at the seams.
          Upon the instruments of death
          The sunlight brightly gleams.
          When every man is torn apart
          With nightmares and with dreams,
          Will no one lay the laurel wreath
          When silence drowns the screams.

          Confusion will be my epitaph.
          As I crawl a cracked and broken path
          If we make it we can all sit back
          And laugh.
          But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying,
          Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying.

          Between the iron gates of fate,
          The seeds of time were sown,
          And watered by the deeds of those
          Who know and who are known;
          Knowledge is a deadly friend
          When no one sets the rules.
          The fate of all mankind I see
          Is in the hands of fools.

          Confusion will be my epitaph.
          As I crawl a cracked and broken path
          If we make it we can all sit back
          And laugh.
          But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying,
          Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying.

          I also remember from a book I once had which was I think called Grave Humour, a gravestone which bore the words 'Thorpe's Corpse'.

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          • LeMartinPecheur
            Full Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 4717

            #35
            Originally posted by Tevot View Post
            From:- http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_epitaphs.htm

            (I must admit I chickened out of posting the epitaph from Tony Harrison's V ;-)

            A DEAD STATESMAN

            I could not dig: I dared not rob:
            Therefore I lied to please the mob.
            Now all my lies are proved untrue
            And I must face the men I slew.
            What tale shall serve me here among
            Mine angry and defrauded young?
            This is from Kipling's Epitaphs of the War - 1914-18. An absolutely chilling work, presumably written after RK lost his only son in action, which it might be good if we all learned by heart at an early age

            Further samples:

            A SERVANT
            We were together since the War began,
            He was my servant - and the better man.

            A SON
            My son was killed while laughing at some jest. I would I knew
            What it was, and it might serve me in a time when jests are few.

            Kipling didn't of course become an instant pacifist (that might well of course have made the loss of his son even more unbearable) but the balance held is delicate, often a matter of what isn't said, e.g.

            THE COWARD
            I could not look on Death, which being known,
            Men led me to him, blindfold and alone.

            And perhaps my favourite, if that's the right word,

            COMMON FORM
            If any question why we died,
            Tell them, because our fathers lied.

            Some things, many things, don't change

            PS The last one is made even more grim if we imagine Kipling's feelings about any encouragement he'd given his son to join up, particularly when his sight was so poor that almost certainly strings had been pulled (lies told?) to get him a commission in the Guards
            I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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            • mercia
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 8920

              #36
              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
              One I remember well is the epitaph for the trumpeter at the first performance of Handel's Messiah.
              would you care to share it with us ?

              -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

              Here lie I by the chancel door;
              They put me here because I was poor.
              The further in, the more you pay,
              But here I lie as snug as they

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              • jean
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7100

                #37
                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                I have a couple of books of these epitaphs somewhere in tombstone-shaped paperbacks edited by the wonderful Fritz Spiegl.
                I have A Small Book of Grave Humour - I'm not sure I knew about the second. I wish I could believe that all of them really were in graveyards somewhere - but he doesn't identify them very well, does he?

                My favourite actually-existing epitaph is the one in Ely cathedral cloisters:

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                • vinteuil
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 13065

                  #38
                  Jean - that one is lovely!

                  another favourite of mine for its worldliness is the one in York Minster:

                  APRIL XXIVV MDCCCXII.
                  DIED
                  AT HER HOUSE IN CHARLES STREET,
                  NEAR BERKELEY SQUARE, LONDON,
                  WHERE SHE RESIDED ALTERNATLY WITH
                  HER SEAT AT GREAT BOOKHAM IN SURREY,
                  FOR A PERIOD OF ABOVE THIRTY-FIVE YEARS
                  HAPPY AND RESPECTED
                  AFTER AN ILLNESS OF THREE WEEKS,
                  AT MIDNIGHT
                  OF THE TWENTY-FOURTH OF APRIL,
                  MDCCCXII,
                  IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HER FIVE CHILDREN,
                  AND OF THREE OF HER OLD AND FAITHFUL ATTENDANTS,
                  IN THE SEVENTY-THIRD YEAR OF HER AGE,
                  THE RIGHT HONOURABLE,
                  LORA
                  BURTON DAWNAY
                  VISCOUNTESS DOWNE,
                  WIDOW OF JOHN DAWNAY, FOURTH VISCOUNTESS DOWNE,
                  MOTHER OF THE FIFTH VISCOUNT AND OTHER CHILDREN,
                  AND ONLY CHILD AND HEIR OF WILLIAM BURTON, ESQUIRE
                  OF ASHWELL, RUTLAND
                  BY HIS WIFE ELIZABETH PITT, DAUGHTER OF GEORGE PITT
                  OF STRATHFIELDSAY,
                  BY HIS SECOND WIFE, LORA GREY OF KINGSTON, DORSET.
                  FOR HER CHARACTER AND OTHER PARTICULARS
                  SEE THE GENTLEMAN'S MAGAZINE FOR MAY MDCCCXII,
                  FROM WHICH THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXTRACT:
                  A REAL UNPRETENDING AND ALMOST UNCONSCIOUS GOOD SENSE
                  AND A FIRM DESIRE TO ACT RIGHT UPON ALL OCCASIONS
                  TO THE BEST OF HER JUDGEMENT,
                  WERE HER MOST DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS.
                  ACTIVITY OF MIND AND BODY, SOUND HEALTH, CHEERFUL MANNERS,
                  THE OPEN CONFIDENCE OF AN HONEST MIND,
                  THE LIVELY SERENITY OF AN EASY CONSCIENCE,
                  WITH A BENEVOLENT DISPOSITION
                  AND HEREDITARY PERSONAL GRACES BOTH OF FORM AND FACE,
                  WHICH EVEN IN AGE HAD NOT DISAPPEARED,
                  COMPLETE HER PICTURE.
                  ONE THAT ON EVERYDAY YOU MAY NOT MEET,
                  KIND, HANDSOME, HONEST, CHEERFUL AND DISCREET;
                  AS DAUGHTER, WIFE, AND MOTHER JUSTLY LOVED,
                  BY ALL WHO KNEW, RESPECTED AND APPROVED.
                  GOOD SENSE, GOOD MANNERS, OPEN AND SINCERE,
                  AND GENEROUS VIRTUE MARK'D HER LONG CAREER
                  SUPERIOR IN HER CHARACTER TO MOST.
                  SHE LIVED WITH OTHERS WITHOUT PRIDE OR BOAST:
                  WITH BEST PRETENSIONS TOOK THE HUMBLEST PART,
                  AND SHEW'D HER SCHOOLING HAD BEEN OF THE HEART.
                  NUNC VICESIMUS ANNUS ATQUE NONUS
                  HOC A TEMPORE LABITUR SILENTER.
                  VIVIT SCENA, TAMEN, FIGURA VIVIT,
                  ET VIVAX MANET INSEPULTA VIRTUS.

                  Buried at Snaith in this county, Hon. MD.Langley 3rd son, placed this tablet, 1841 aet 64
                  Last edited by vinteuil; 24-04-13, 19:53.

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                  • LeMartinPecheur
                    Full Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4717

                    #39
                    This one, from Winchester Cathedral (outside in the graveyard) might be better on the Beer thread:

                    In memory of Thomas Thatcher
                    A grenadier of the Ninth Regiment of Hants Militia,
                    who died of a violent fever contracted by drinking small beer when hot,
                    the 12th of May, 1769, aged 26 years...

                    Here sleeps in peace a Hampshire Grenadier
                    Who caught his death by drinking cold small beer.
                    Soldiers, be wise by his untimely fall,
                    And when ye're hot, drink strong or none at all.

                    I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                    • LeMartinPecheur
                      Full Member
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4717

                      #40
                      Originally posted by jean View Post
                      My favourite actually-existing epitaph is the one in Ely cathedral cloisters:

                      This reminds me rather of the American 'Holy Roller' song called Heavenly Aeroplane (recorded by the Watersons).
                      A sample from the lyrics:

                      Oh, one of these days around 12 o'clock
                      The whole wide world will reel and rock
                      The sinner will tremble and cry with pain
                      And the Lord will come in his aeroplane.

                      (Chorus)
                      Oh, you thirsty of every tribe
                      Get your ticket for an aeroplane ride
                      Jesus our Saviour is coming to reign
                      And take you to glory in his aeroplane.


                      Somehow, railways seem a much better metaphor, far more godly and spiritual...
                      I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                      • Ferretfancy
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3487

                        #41
                        Here's one to chill --

                        Perfection, of a kind, was what he was after,
                        And the poetry he invented was easy to understand;
                        He knew human folly like the back of his hand,
                        And was greatly interested in armies and fleets.
                        When he laughed respectable senators burst with laughter
                        And when he cried the little children died in the streets.

                        WH Auden

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                        • EdgeleyRob
                          Guest
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12180

                          #42
                          Here lies Ben, whose life was full,
                          Until he tried to milk a bull.

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