Further reflections on the funeral

[Ian Thumwood]

Correction. Your comment was not pulled and remains intact. I received a complaint: I rejected it.

FF

Cheers - I can't find it when I looked back.

Aplogies for the mistake.,

Ian

[french frank]

Apologies for your mistake accepted, though I find it harder to be charitable about the accusations seemingly provoked by that mistake.

But then, being a political deviant these days I probably have to put up with attacks. Here's to more enlightened times

[Serial_Apologist]

Apologies for your mistake accepted, though I find it harder to be charitable about the accusations seemingly provoked by that mistake.

But then, being a political deviant these days I probably have to put up with attacks. Here's to more enlightened times

With no repetition, hesitation or deviation!

[vinteuil]

... deviations from the mean - anywhere within the bell curve - even the outliers - what's not to like and love of all of them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation

Actually - statistically speaking - to be the "norm" is a much odder thing to be than to be, in one way or another, a deviation from the norm.

Howsomdiver, "deviant" is an offensive term in the same way that the notorious N word and various other denigratory terms of race, class, gender, religion etc are. If one chooses to use such a term, in this day and age, knowingly, then one is knowingly choosing to cause offence.

[Flosshilde]

"in real life", the observation would be given very short thrive - especially in my industry where complaints of that nature would generally result in ridicule.

What exactly is the 'real life' & industry you inhabit, where people seem to feel free to be offensive? I assume it's the 1950's, as you don't seem to have progressed beyond that point.

I think 8thO comment about 'naivety' is being extremely generous.

[french frank]

I think 8thO comment about 'naivety' is being extremely generous.

When the Wikipedian community is urged: "Always assume good faith", that is not to say that they are required to believe what they don't believe. They are merely being asked to 'assume' it and act accordingly.

[Anna]

Comment withdrawn as I fear I've unintentionally upset Jayne.

[Nick Armstrong]

I don't think this one is getting anywhere...!

.... i.e. it'll revolve in increasingly tetchy circles for at least another week

[jayne lee wilson]

Oh for heaven's sake!

Anyone who has live an LGBT life of beyond 40 years will probably have had the word "deviant" thrown at them like a missile, just as "queer" or "queer bastard" have been - I've had such things yelled at me on street corners or hissed at me by close relatives. It's one step short of hitting you.

Yes, this would be less likely to happen now - as Flossie says, becuase of the often selfsacrificial campaigning by the very people who were so vicitimised. I guess a shallow, complacent hetro (or even, just possibly, a sharp, self aware one if so motivated) might use "deviant" unthinkingly now, without any such historical awareness. Yet the overtones of the word remain vivid & very unpleasant.

Is that just a bit clearer?

[Flosshilde]

I'm a bit torn between apologising for stirring up another hornet's nest just after the board (seems to have) survived the previous Thatcher thread, & thinking why the hell should I? 40 years ago I was supposed to apologise for protesting about derogatory language; I'll be damned if I do so now. If some people can't or won't understand why I objected then it's time they educated themselves.

[jayne lee wilson]

All gone quiet now hasn't it? Ha.
Maybe they're all watching the very hetero Dr.Who... (who deviates from WHAT, exactly...?)

I hope nobody ever buys ME a K9 for my birthday.

[eighthobstruction]

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[Black Swan]

I am amazed this sort of discussion has posted on this site. I don't really give a toss about Thatcher's Funeral. She is gone, let's not speak ill of the dead. I didn't live in the UK at the time of Thatcher's leadership. I lived in the US under Reagan. I don't have much respect for either. They fought the fight they thought was right. So enough for me. She's gone, I don't really care. Am I concerned about the cost of the funeral, yes but such is life.

Let the dead rest in peace.

[Tapiola]

I am amazed this sort of discussion has posted on this site. I don't really give a toss about Thatcher's Funeral. She is gone, let's not speak ill of the dead. I didn't live in the UK at the time of Thatcher's leadership. I lived in the US under Reagan. I don't have much respect for either. They fought the fight they thought was right. So enough for me. She's gone, I don't really care. Am I concerned about the cost of the funeral, yes but such is life.

Let the dead rest in peace.

Hear hear.

As Mike Nesbitt, leader of the Ulster Unionist Party (and latterly a local Ulster TV presenter, and someone who is a self-promoting, arrogant git whom I have very little time for at the best of times) said the other day (and I paraphrase), those who delight in the death of another diminish their own humanity thereby.

[Mr Pee]

I am amazed this sort of discussion has posted on this site. I don't really give a toss about Thatcher's Funeral. She is gone, let's not speak ill of the dead. I didn't live in the UK at the time of Thatcher's leadership. I lived in the US under Reagan. I don't have much respect for either. They fought the fight they thought was right. So enough for me. She's gone, I don't really care. Am I concerned about the cost of the funeral, yes but such is life.

Let the dead rest in peace.