Old lady dies (see other post)

[scottycelt]

The first two notes of Also Spracht Zarathustra make up a rising fifth, scotty.

Horsemeat and lots of other questionable things make up a rissole.

I'm now beginning to warm to 'rising fifths' if not rissoles, S_A ...

[Mr Pee]

The first two notes of Also Spracht Zarathustra make up a rising fifth, scotty.

Horsemeat and lots of other questionable things make up a rissole.

Of course, there are minor rising fifths, and major rising fifths. Also Sprach opens with a major fifth.

If you want a quick reference for a minor fifth, the very first two notes of Tristan Und Isolde are one such. Or, on a somewhat lower level on the cultural spectrum and a different sort of love story...the feem toon from "Love Story".

[teamsaint]

That's very kind of you to say so Petrushka but I wouldn't class myself as any sort of expert on British music,just obsessively potty about the stuff.
If that pottiness encourages others to investigate then I am very happy.

I should warn you though that I am becoming increasingly obsessed with neglected Russian symphonies,so you might find yourself listening to Miaskovsky very soon.

What usually happens now, is that Beef oven starts a thread such as

" What somewhat unfairly but perhaps understandably neglected but actually very interesting and enjoyable Russian C20 symphony are you listening to now....."

Anyway, the journey IS the thing, just keep at it doggedly.

[EdgeleyRob]

So does twinkle twinkle little star start with a major(?) rising fifth.
See what I mean,who needs music theory text books.
All we need to know is here,for which I am seriously thankful.

[teamsaint]

So does twinkle twinkle little star start with a major(?) rising fifth.
See what I mean,who needs music theory text books.
All we need to know is here,for which I am seriously thankful.

yup. and if , for instance, you feel the need to sing a falling (and then rising)minor 6th, just sing the start of " Love Story".
more upmarket suggestions here !

http://www.abrsm.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t35679.html

(I'm giving the Schoenberg suggestions a swerve for now....)

[hedgehog]

Of course, there are minor rising fifths, and major rising fifths. Also Sprach opens with a major fifth.

If you want a quick reference for a minor fifth, the very first two notes of Tristan Und Isolde are one such. Or, on a somewhat lower level on the cultural spectrum and a different sort of love story...the feem toon from "Love Story".

I feel I must correct this. Mr Pee: the terms 'major' and 'minor' are used only with the intervals of a 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 7th (or higher e.g. a maj. 9th which is an octave plus a major 2nd)

The interval of a 5th as found at the opening of Also Sprach Zarathustra is a perfect 5th (it doesn't matter whether it is rising or falling) The interval of a tritone (eg F to B ) is called either an augmented 4th or a diminished 5th according to how the harmony is working .The first interval at the beginning of Tristan und Isolde is a minor 6th surely ( A - F) ?

[EdgeleyRob]

I feel I must correct this. Mr Pee - the terms 'major' and 'minor' are used only with the intervals of a 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 7th (or higher e.g. a maj. 9th which is an octave plus a major 2nd)

The interval of a 5th as found at the opening of Also Sprach Zarathustra is a perfect 5th (it doesn't matter whether it is rising or falling) The interval of a tritone (eg F to B ) is called either an augmented 4th or a diminished 5th according to how the harmony is working .The first interval at the beginning of Tristan und Isolde is a minor 6th surely ( A - F) ?

Now I'm confused,just when I thought I'd cracked it.

[Flosshilde]

... and the following three notes a rising perfect fourth, a rising major third, and a falling minor second, Floss...

Having been delayed by Brunhilde, I've now listened & can see (hear) it. I now have to remember them all, & try & recognise them in other, less clear, music

[hedgehog]

Sorry ER. I did make a mistake - the interval F - B is an augmented 4th. The interval B - F is a diminished 5th. They are both a tritone, but are called differently according to how the interval is written and how the harmony is working. Sorry to confuse things even further. It doesn't really matter that much. But the interval at the beginning of Tristan und Isolde is most definitely a minor 6th.

http://musiced.about.com/od/beginnerstheory/a/tableofinterval.htm

[Flosshilde]

I think I'll go back to 'I don't know much about music, but I know what I like'


(It's a bit like the old Radio 3 - I didn't understand much of what they said, but I did enjoy listening to people who knew & enjoyed what they were talking about)

[teamsaint]

I sometimes think that the purpose of some parts of music theory IS to confuse things! A six semitone interval is a six semitone interval, for instance, whatever it is called.

Awaits beating .......(pun intended)

[Beef Oven]

I think I'll go back to 'I don't know much about music, but I know what I like'

In your wardrobe?

[Flosshilde]

I came out of the closet some time ago.

[EdgeleyRob]

Sorry ER. I did make a mistake - the interval F - B is an augmented 4th. The interval B - F is a diminished 5th. They are both a tritone, but are called differently according to how the interval is written. Sorry to confuse things even further.

No problem Hedge,I just wish I knew all that stuff.

[mangerton]

Now I'm confused,just when I thought I'd cracked it.

I'm not going to be drawn into a discussion of whether it's "classical" or not, but the first two notes of Bernstein's "Maria" are an augmented fourth or tritone.